From: Greg Horton Date: Wed Jan 12, 2005 9:37pm Subject: Re: Ruling gives cops leeway with GPS Michael Hammer wrote: > By that logic, I should just be able to break into (and wipe out) an > internet host that is being used to do bad things. We will get it shut > down/confiscated anyways by going through the legal steps so why not > just cut to the chase. As tempting as that may be, I understand the > reasons we have limitations. > > Just because something can be done doesn't mean it should be done. > Requiring a court order is a check/balance on the activities involved. > > Mike > > Holy Smokes Mike, what a leap of logic you make. How on earth do you > make a connection between following someone on a public thoroughfare > and comitting a burglary and then committing an additional crime of > wiping the computer clean. Talk about a non sequitur. There is no > requirement for a court order and case law has reaffirmed this > technique by the police. 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Sincerely, Roger Holloway Independent Associate Pre-Paid Legal Services®, Inc. 940-592-7000 www.TexasDetective.com www.RogerHolloway.com 10589 From: Greg Horton Date: Wed Jan 12, 2005 9:29pm Subject: Re: Ruling gives cops leeway with GPS G P wrote: > Because anybody and everybody can now fix up your car > with a GPS unit, without fear of civil or criminal > prosecution. This court precedent puts very dangerous > technology into the hands of the proletariat, without > any form of checks and balances. > > Wait until somebody wires up your wife's car for > sound, and you'll have a slightly different opinion > about tracking technology. GP, What you are saying is not quite accurate. A private person cannot use the devices or he is in violation of both criminal and civil codes. We were talking about tracking devices that are self contained and attach to the vehicle without using the vehicle's battery or electrical system. We said nothing about wiring for audio. All police officers MUST have a signed warrant to attach any video or audio to a suspect's vehicle. There is no way around that. You must have enough probable cause to convince a judge. I know for a fact that if a person in California puts a listening device in a car, he is in a heap o' trouble. Greg > > --- Greg Horton wrote: > > > > > > > G P wrote: > > > > > Absolute insanity. > > > > > I am not so sure about that. In California, you > > don't need a warrant to > > put a tracker on unless you hardwire it to the > > vehicle. So instead of > > fielding a six man surveillance team for thousands > > of dollars and maybe > > a helo or plane, you do the same thing for pennies. > > You are going to > > follow the suspect anyway, why not do it in a way > > that saves the > > taxpayer a heap o' money? > > > > Greg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Terms of > Service . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 10590 From: wiggyyy2000 Date: Wed Jan 12, 2005 11:07pm Subject: Thanks James.. I would like to thank Jim for inviting me to this group, it is very informative with good people thanks 10591 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Thu Jan 13, 2005 0:08am Subject: State Department/CIA Communications Annex and Special Collection Facilities (for publication to Cryptome) Consider for a moment the irony of having one of major the U.S. Governments espionage centers located between a road called "Ashcroft Drive" and one called "Entomology Road". The Beltsville Agricultural Research Center is world famous for the study of insects, but more than one kind of bug is grown at this location. The site has also been used as a base for spies and diplomats since the late 70's as a major communications center, and a wet-house where bugs of a more electronic nature are nurtured. In a forested area near Rt 295 there are two sister building set back from the road. On page 2 of the following FCC document we see that MCI Worldcom operates a satellite communications system from this location. http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-230090A1.pdf Application for Authority Class of Station: Fixed Earth Stations MCI WORLDCOM NETWORK SERVICES, INC. E030002 SES- LIC- 20030102- 00007 E Nature of Service: Domestic Fixed Satellite Service SITE ID: 1 LOCATION: 8101 Odell Rd, Montgomery, Beltsville, MD 39 ° 2 ' 48.40 " N LAT. 76 ° 51 ' 52.90 " W LONG. Universal Antennas 1 18.3 meters ANTENNA ID: 1183 0.00 dBW 3700.0000 - 4200.0000 MHz 44M2G7W 56.00 dBW PSK DATA 5925.0000 - 6425.0000 MHz 43K8G7W 71.60 dBW PSK DATA 5925.0000 - 6425.0000 MHz 44M2G7W 3700.0000 - 4200.0000 MHz 43K8G7W Points of Communication: 1 - ALSAT - (ALSAT) Note the listing on page 2, which reflects that MCI is operating the Satellite Dish on the East side of the State Department Communications Annex. ALSAT is a foreign based commercial communications satellite with surveillance capability, and the above frequency bands would allow this systems to handle a huge about of materials. Also, the bandwidth that they are using is enormous and they could move huge amounts of data through a system like this. http://dettifoss.fcc.gov/acweb/dettifoss/IBFS/IBFS_Ses_License.roi;16520?ViewDefault http://dettifoss.fcc.gov/acweb/dettifoss/Genmen_a/db_8/d_admin.roi;119?ViewDefault --------------------------------------------------------- Most State Department facilities have special phones lines that allow personnel to call their families while abroad via this systems at little or no cost, for example: http://foia.state.gov/MMS/postrpt/pr_view_all.asp?CntryID=159 Telephones and Telecommunications Last Updated: 7/12/2004 5:25 AM Local and international telephone service is available and reliable. International direct dial service is excellent. A one-minute call to the U.S. or other foreign country costs approximately $1. Direct calls from the U.S. can be received in Hanoi without cost. Residences of all USG personnel are equipped with telephones. Employees are responsible for paying the monthly residential telephone bill. Through the International Voice Gateway (IVG) Program, the Embassy has four IVG telephone trunks directly connecting the office with the State Department Telephone Switch at Beltsville, Maryland. This IVG connection was installed as both a cost-saving and morale-boosting program. Calls to the greater Washington area (703/202/301/410) are free. All 1-800 numbers are also free of charge to Embassy personnel. When placing personal calls, a commercial telephone calling card can be used for numbers outside the D.C. area. These personal calls will be billed to the employee as if the call originated from Beltsville, Maryland. Also, http://foia.state.gov/MMS/IVG_prefix/ivgprefix_start.asp IVG Usage Dial Prefix Codes The International Voice Gateway (IVG) switch is located in Beltsville, Maryland and provides interconnectivity from 135 overseas locations to all Department of State and government agencies located in the Washington, D.C. metropolitan area. Through the use of calling cards, it also enables users to access the FTS networks, GETS, WITS, as well as commercial numbers for international direct dialing at substantially reduced rates. Embassy to Off-Network Overseas Location: When calling from an Embassy to a different country, but not an IVG location, you must use your ID3 Calling Card. Off-Network Overseas Location to Department of State and/or U.S. Location: You must use your ID3 Calling Card. When calling from an off-network overseas location to an off-network location, you must use your ID3 Calling Card. and, http://foia.state.gov/masterdocs/05fah02/tel0640.pdf 5 FAH-2 H-640 INTERNATIONAL VOICE GATEWAY (TL:TEL-1; 07-01-1998) 5 FAH-2 H-641 DESCRIPTION (TL:TEL-1; 07-01-1998) (Uniform State/USAID/USIA) The International Voice Gateway (IVG) is an international telephone network directly linking foreign affairs agency headquarters with field offices abroad via dedicated voice circuitry. DTS-PO established the network to provide a cost-effective, U.S. Government-controlled and switched telephone service for foreign affairs agencies. Dial tone and switching for IVG trunks are provided by the central switch at the Network Control Center in Beltsville. DTS-PO manages the network and maintains the central switch and circuitry up to the PBX at destination points. 5 FAH-2 H-642 INTERCONNECTIVITY (TL:TEL-1; 07-01-1998) (Uniform State/USAID/USIA) IVG subscribers can connect to other U.S. Government networks by dialing special access codes. DTS-PO periodically sends telegraphic updates of IVG directories and detailed dialing instructions to all IVG subscribers. The other networks are described in greater detail below. 5 FAH-2 H-642.1 Department of State Metropolitan Area/Wide Area Network (MA/WAN) (Voice) (TL:TEL-1; 07-01-1998) (Uniform State/USAID/USIA) The Department’s MA/WAN is a voice network connecting the IVG central switch at Beltsville to Department facilities at Main State, Washington area State annexes, and other facilities in Portsmouth, New Hampshire, Charleston, South Carolina and USUN New York. --------------------------------------------------------- Here is an article about MCI getting caught playing games with the system: http://www.computerweekly.com/Article123819.htm Note that MCI was illegally routing "sensitive calls" through Canada to save money. --------------------------------------------------------- The same 8101 Odell address is also listed as a GSA building at: http://www.iolp.gsa.gov/iolp/BuildingsList.asp?dID=2405 ALTERNATE COMM SITE 8101 ODELL RD BELTSVILLE , MD 20705-4110 PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY ------------------------------------------------------------- An index for State department Annex locations indicates that this location is part of the "Bureau of Information Resource Management ": http://foia.state.gov/MMS/Annexes/print_all_annex.asp State Annex - SA-26 SA-26 Beltsville 8108 O'Dell St. Beltsville, MD 20522 Major Office: IRM, AID ------------------------------------------------------ Here is a listing of some of the people at the facility, broken down by assignment/position: http://foia.state.gov/alphalisting/alpha_print.asp?Range=DD Alphabetical Listing of Employees Name Number Room Office Location Ortman, Edward 301-985-8318 102 Beltsville Kahney, Joseph 301-985-8100 154 SA-26 Ivan, Patricia 301-985-8006 BIMC SA-26 White, Robert H. 301-985-8100 143 SA-26 Bazemore, Lisa C. 301-985-8022 107 SA-26 Ivory, Cynthia Y. 301-985-8797 126 SA-26 Delisa, John 301-985-8064 GTS(BIMC) SA-26 Heiser, Richard E. 301-985-8019 BIMC SA-26 Scott, Betty Jean 301-985-8037 2nd Fl SA-26 Bowden, Alfred Jerome 301-985-8711 111A(GTS) SA-26 Crawford, Steadman C. 301-985-8016 126(GTS/EN SA-26 Chavis, Keith 301-985-8100 A/DTSPO - Diplomatic Telecommunications Service, Program Office SA-26 Clark, Sherry 301-926-5710 BMC A/DTSPO - Diplomatic Telecommunications Service, Program Office SA-26 Steen, Jon J. 301-985-8100 BMC A/DTSPO - Diplomatic Telecommunications Service, Program Office SA-26 Beckloff, Mark 301-985-8787 BMC A/DTSPO - Diplomatic Telecommunications Service, Program Office SA-26 Ortman, Edward 301-985-8318 BMC A/DTSPO - Diplomatic Telecommunications Service, Program Office SA-26 Bristol, Robert 301-985-8122 BMC A/DTSPO - Diplomatic Telecommunications Service, Program Office SA-26 Jones, Jerry R. 301-985-8122 BMC A/DTSPO - Diplomatic Telecommunications Service, Program Office SA-26 Pantos, Lillian 301-985-8004 BMC A/DTSPO - Diplomatic Telecommunications Service, Program Office SA-26 Thomas, Anthony 301-985-4738 BMC A/DTSPO - Diplomatic Telecommunications Service, Program Office SA-26 Wilson, Rima S. 301-985-8122 BMC A/DTSPO - Diplomatic Telecommunications Service, Program Office SA-26 Harrell, Earl C. 301-985-8122 BMC A/DTSPO - Diplomatic Telecommunications Service, Program Office SA-26 Johnson, Chad R. 301-985-8318 BMC A/DTSPO - Diplomatic Telecommunications Service, Program Office SA-26 Mangal, Aaron S. 301-985-8208 BMC A/DTSPO - Diplomatic Telecommunications Service, Program Office SA-26 Marbley, Troy G. 301-985-8122 BMC A/DTSPO - Diplomatic Telecommunications Service, Program Office SA-26 Rice, William J. 301-985-8712 BMC A/DTSPO - Diplomatic Telecommunications Service, Program Office SA-26 Brown, Richard T. 301-985-8100 BMC A/DTSPO - Diplomatic Telecommunications Service, Program Office SA-26 Gonzalez, Jose F. 301-985-8512 BMC A/DTSPO - Diplomatic Telecommunications Service, Program Office SA-26 Ingram, Robert J. 301-985-8866 BMC A/DTSPO - Diplomatic Telecommunications Service, Program Office SA-26 Lippa, Michelle L. 301-985-8100 EMC A/DTSPO - Diplomatic Telecommunications Service, Program Office SA-26 Lippa, Michelle L. 301-985-8100 BMC A/DTSPO - Diplomatic Telecommunications Service, Program Office SA-26 Mooring, Odessa M. 301-985-8122 BMC A/DTSPO - Diplomatic Telecommunications Service, Program Office SA-26 Rios, Kixxonmin G. 301-985-8866 BMC A/DTSPO - Diplomatic Telecommunications Service, Program Office SA-26 Burgman, Charles E. 301-985-8815 BMC A/DTSPO - Diplomatic Telecommunications Service, Program Office SA-26 Dejesus, Yesenia D. 301-985-8712 BMC A/DTSPO - Diplomatic Telecommunications Service, Program Office SA-26 McDaniel, Tyrone G. 301-985-8122 BMC A/DTSPO - Diplomatic Telecommunications Service, Program Office SA-26 Bruno-Nieves, Jorge L. 301-985-8100 109 A/DTSPO/GTS SA-26 Bryson, Cader A. 301-985-8945 A/OPR/FMS/RAM - Office of Facilities Management Services SA-26 Anderson, Michael G. 301-985-8946 B03E A/OPR/FMS/RAM - Office of Facilities Management Services SA-26 Palmer, Erica 301-985-8347 8th Fl DS/CIS/IST - Office of Information Security Technology SA-26 Hurt, Lolita M. 301-985-8347 DS/SI/AC SA-26 Perry, Gwenette C. 301-985-8347 DS/SI/AC SA-26 Washington, Shawnisa 301-985-8229 DS/SI/AC SA-26 D Elisa, John 301-985-8064 GTS IRM/NOC SA-26 Badra, Patrick M. 301-985-8433 IRM/NOC SA-26 Correll, Jacob A. 301-985-8008 GTS IRM/NOC SA-26 Bridgwood, Thomas F. 301-985-1717 GTS IRM/NOC SA-26 Carroll-Nickens, Mary 301-985-8371 117(GTS-NS IRM/OPS/ENM - Enterprise Network Management SA-26 Ballard, Paul E. 301-985-8217 Bsmt IRM/OPS/ENM/OPS/NA SA-26 Wardle, Shane C. 301-985-8250 Bsmt IRM/OPS/ENM/OPS/NA SA-26 Ross, Russell M. 301-985-8369 ENMOC IRM/OPS/ENM/OPS/NA SA-26 Williams, Sherman L. 301-985-8217 Bsmt IRM/OPS/ENM/OPS/NA SA-26 Webster, Tara Marsette 301-985-8460 ENMOC IRM/OPS/ENM/OPS/NA SA-26 Bullock-Bangoura, Wanda D. 301-985-8227 1269 IRM/OPS/ENM/OPS/NA SA-26 Beddingfield, Guthrie 301-985-8356 ABCD IRM/OPS/ENM/OPS/TC Beltsville Kumar, Ravindra 301-985-8462 Bsmt IRM/OPS/ENM/OPS/TC SA-26 Neal, Joseph C. 301-985-8217 Bsmt IRM/OPS/ENM/OPS/TC SA-26 Scott, Teresa D. 301-985-8806 140 IRM/OPS/ENM/OPS/TC SA-26 Rivera, Jose Antonio 301-985-8342 IRM/OPS/ENM/OPS/TC SA-26 Williams, Dorothea V. 301-985-8004 111 IRM/OPS/MSO - Messaging Systems Office Beltsville Premo, Rob 301-985-8516 IRM/OPS/MSO - Messaging Systems Office SA-26 Hedges, John S. 301-985-8004 IRM/OPS/MSO - Messaging Systems Office SA-26 Walker, Michael D. 301-985-8516 IRM/OPS/MSO - Messaging Systems Office SA-26 Cabral, John L. 301-985-8005 108 IRM/OPS/MSO/BMC - Beltsville Messaging Center Division Beltsville Bell, Anthony R. 301-985-8007 Vault IRM/OPS/MSO/BMC - Beltsville Messaging Center Division Beltsville Leger, David J. 301-985-8061 IRM/OPS/MSO/BMC - Beltsville Messaging Center Division SA-26 Glover, Henry A. 301-985-8319 105 IRM/OPS/MSO/BMC - Beltsville Messaging Center Division SA-26 Williamson, Darrell L. 301-985-8122 IRM/OPS/MSO/BMC - Beltsville Messaging Center Division SA-26 Hamilton, Lee 301-985-8866 BELTSVILLE IRM/OPS/MSO/BMC/OPS - Operations Branch SA-26 Harrell, Earl 301-985-8122 BELTSVILLE IRM/OPS/MSO/BMC/OPS - Operations Branch SA-26 Marbley, Troy 301-985-8122 BELTSVILLE IRM/OPS/MSO/BMC/OPS - Operations Branch SA-26 Childs, Albert 301-985-8039 BELTSVILLE IRM/OPS/MSO/BMC/OPS - Operations Branch SA-26 Morris, Ofelia 301-985-8004 BELTSVILLE IRM/OPS/MSO/BMC/OPS - Operations Branch SA-26 Haskins, Albert 301-985-8122 BELTSVILLE IRM/OPS/MSO/BMC/OPS - Operations Branch SA-26 Edwards, Anthony 301-985-8866 BELTSVILLE IRM/OPS/MSO/BMC/OPS - Operations Branch SA-26 McDaniels, Tyrone 301-985-8122 BELTSVILLE IRM/OPS/MSO/BMC/OPS - Operations Branch SA-26 Williams, John A. 301-985-8866 BELTSVILLE IRM/OPS/MSO/BMC/OPS - Operations Branch SA-26 Mooring, Odessa M. 301-985-8516 BELTSVILLE IRM/OPS/MSO/BMC/OPS - Operations Branch SA-26 Jones, Frank R. 301-985-8122 IPC IRM/OPS/MSO/BMC/OPS - Operations Branch Beltsville Gomez, Bernabe Jesus 301-985-8122 1 IRM/OPS/MSO/BMC/OPS - Operations Branch Beltsville Hunt, Richard L. 301-985-8122 IRM/OPS/MSO/BMC/OPS - Operations Branch SA-26 Manning, Felix 301-985-8122 111 IRM/OPS/MSO/BMC/OPS - Operations Branch SA-26 Zayas, Orlando 301-926-5405 111 IRM/OPS/MSO/BMC/OPS - Operations Branch SA-26 Champ, Renee C. 301-985-8296 108 IRM/OPS/MSO/BMC/OPS - Operations Branch SA-26 Gibson, Mary E. 301-985-8105 104 IRM/OPS/MSO/BMC/OPS - Operations Branch SA-26 Stephens, James 301-985-8866 111 IRM/OPS/MSO/BMC/OPS - Operations Branch SA-26 Motes, Roger D. 301-985-8516 PRIMARY IRM/OPS/MSO/BMC/OPS - Operations Branch SA-26 Barclay, James E. 301-985-8302 108 IRM/OPS/MSO/BMC/TS - Technical Services Branch Beltsville Battle, Ronald Nelson 301-926-5400 5420 IRM/OPS/MSO/BMC/TS - Technical Services Branch Beltsville Beechum, Michael E. 301-926-5405 IRM/OPS/MSO/BMC/TS - Technical Services Branch SA-26 Norton, Adrian L. 301-985-8124 112 IRM/OPS/MSO/BMC/TS - Technical Services Branch SA-26 Fleming, Carla M. 301-985-8032 111 IRM/OPS/MSO/MSMC/PRG - Programming Branch Beltsville Hill, Bruce 301-985-8060 111 IRM/OPS/MSO/MSMC/PRG - Programming Branch SA-26 Kodey, Mark 301-985-8060 111 IRM/OPS/MSO/MSMC/PRG - Programming Branch SA-26 Lutes, Mike 301-985-8714 111 IRM/OPS/MSO/MSMC/PRG - Programming Branch SA-26 Ledger, Dave 301-985-8060 111 IRM/OPS/MSO/MSMC/PRG - Programming Branch SA-26 Mobeka, Rita 301-985-8505 111 IRM/OPS/MSO/MSMC/PRG - Programming Branch SA-26 Garner, Cedric 301-985-8060 111 IRM/OPS/MSO/MSMC/PRG - Programming Branch SA-26 Jackson, Larry 301-985-8061 111 IRM/OPS/MSO/MSMC/PRG - Programming Branch SA-26 Knight, Gerald 301-985-8060 111 IRM/OPS/MSO/MSMC/PRG - Programming Branch SA-26 Knieriem, Gerry 301-985-8060 111 IRM/OPS/MSO/MSMC/PRG - Programming Branch SA-26 Spellane, Michael 301-985-8145 111 IRM/OPS/MSO/MSMC/PRG - Programming Branch SA-26 Schneider, Paul C. 301-985-8123 111 IRM/OPS/MSO/MSMC/PRG - Programming Branch SA-26 Hampton, Angel B. 301-985-8905 1986E IRM/OPS/SIO/APD/PAY - Payroll Applications Branch SA-26 Dormio, Debora L. 301-985-8900 117 IRM/OPS/SIO/MFS/CSO - Client/Server Operations Branch Beltsville Woodland, Marian G. 301-985-8293 130 IRM/OPS/SIO/MFS/CSO - Client/Server Operations Branch Beltsville Baia, Joseph L. 301-985-8738 139 IRM/OPS/SIO/MFS/CSO - Client/Server Operations Branch SA-26 McCree-Green, Carol E. 301-985-8902 136 IRM/OPS/SIO/MFS/CSO - Client/Server Operations Branch SA-26 Williamson, Johnnie R. 301-985-8727 139 IRM/OPS/SIO/MFS/CSO - Client/Server Operations Branch SA-26 Dumas, Jimmie J. 301-985-8721 IRM/OPS/SIO/MFS/OP - Operations Branch Beltsville Chase, Mary L. 301-985-8312 135 IRM/OPS/SIO/MFS/OP - Operations Branch Beltsville Day, Marcus R. 301-985-8406 130 IRM/OPS/SIO/MFS/OP - Operations Branch Beltsville Cook, Tyrone W. 301-985-8292 130 IRM/OPS/SIO/MFS/OP - Operations Branch Beltsville Brown, Elliott W. 301-985-8737 135 IRM/OPS/SIO/MFS/OP - Operations Branch Beltsville Davis, Leonard W. 301-985-8739 135 IRM/OPS/SIO/MFS/OP - Operations Branch Beltsville Cornelison, Jim X. 301-985-8290 130 IRM/OPS/SIO/MFS/OP - Operations Branch Beltsville Jackson, Ramona D. 301-985-8793 130 IRM/OPS/SIO/MFS/OP - Operations Branch Beltsville Johnson, Sheila D. 301-985-8295 130 IRM/OPS/SIO/MFS/OP - Operations Branch Beltsville Raiford, Angela E. 301-985-8741 135 IRM/OPS/SIO/MFS/OP - Operations Branch Beltsville Williams, Steve R. 301-985-8732 130 IRM/OPS/SIO/MFS/OP - Operations Branch Beltsville Wilson, Barbara J. 301-985-8294 135 IRM/OPS/SIO/MFS/OP - Operations Branch Beltsville Smith, Lawrence C. 301-985-8901 1921 IRM/OPS/SIO/MFS/OP - Operations Branch Beltsville Wise, Pernell X. 301-985-8790 135 - A IRM/OPS/SIO/MFS/OP - Operations Branch Beltsville Alami, Michelle E. 301-985-8746 Bubble IRM/OPS/SIO/MFS/OP - Operations Branch Beltsville Douglas, Kirk 301-985-8901 117 IRM/OPS/SIO/MFS/OP - Operations Branch SA-26 Parker, Carlton 301-985-8743 OPS IRM/OPS/SIO/MFS/OP - Operations Branch SA-26 Sands, Vance H. 301-985-8795 135 IRM/OPS/SIO/MFS/OP - Operations Branch SA-26 Slater, Demetrius 301-985-8700 139 IRM/OPS/SIO/MFS/OP - Operations Branch SA-26 Stevens, Phillip H. 301-985-8731 135B IRM/OPS/SIO/MFS/OP - Operations Branch SA-26 Clough, Patricia A. 301-985-8700 1st Fl IRM/OPS/SIO/MFS/OP - Operations Branch SA-26 Weinberger, Jim C. 301-985-8792 IRM/OPS/SIO/MFS/OP - Operations Branch SA-26 Collins, Tony C. 301-985-8794 130 IRM/OPS/SIO/MFS/OP - Operations Branch SA-26 Richardson, Barbara A. 301-985-8700 130 IRM/OPS/SIO/MFS/OP - Operations Branch SA-26 http://foia.state.gov/MMS/OrgDirectory/OrgDir.asp?ID=56 MESSAGING SYSTEMS (IRM/OPS/MSO) Director Susan Musser, Acting 5440 202-647-7787 Deputy Director Susan Musser 5440 202-647-7787 Management Analysis Staff Chief Patsy Butler 5440 202-647-7768 Messaging Systems Products Division Chief Edward Courlang 2288C SA34 703-912-8009 Special Messaging Operation Divisions Chief Frontis Wiggins 5440 202-647-7989 E-Mail Division Chief Larry McElroy 1921 202-736-4878 Main State Messaging Center Division Chief Margaret Johnson 5440 202-647-7795 Beltsville Messaging Center Division Chief John Cabral 117 SA26 301-985-8005 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The East side of the Odell Road facility has two large Parabolic dish antenna for satellite up-link and down link. On the South side of the building there is a very tall red/orange and white tower with a point-to-point microwave dish to another site in the area. Next to this is a much shorter mast, with a large log-periodic antenna that we often see on the roofs of embassies and diplomatic facilities across the globe. There is also a fiber optic cable between this facility, and the one just to the east of it (the Special Collection Service). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.fbodaily.com/cbd/archive/1999/06(June)/22-Jun-1999/70sol003.htm COMMERCE BUSINESS DAILY ISSUE OF JUNE 22,1999 PSA#2372 U.S. Agency for International Development, M/OP/B/HNE, Room 7.09-120, 1300 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, Washington, DC 20523-7100 70 -- GENERAL PURPOSE AUTOMATED DATA PROCESSING EQUIPMENT SOL M/OP/HNE/P99-002 DUE 062599 POC POC Daisy Matthews: Purchasing Agent, M/OP/B/HNE, Fax (202) 216-3052, Tel: (202) 712-0512, Internet: dmatthews@u..., Contracting Officer, James A. Jeckell WEB: http://www.info.usaid.gov/procurements_bus_opp/procurement/announce/cb d, http://www.info.usaid.gov. E-MAIL: dmatthews@u..., http://www.info.usaid.gov. This is a combined synopsis/solicitation for commercial items prepared in accordance with the format in Federal Acquisition Regulations (FAR) subpart 12.6, as supplemented with additional information included in this notice. This announcement constitutes the only solicitation; quotes are being requested and A WRITTEN SOLICITATION WILL NOT BE ISSUED. This CBD notice can be viewed and downloaded using the Agency Web Site. The Worldwide web address is http://www.info.usaid.gov. Select Business and Procurement Opportunities from the home page, then "USAID Procurements." On the following screen, select "Download Available USAID Solicitations." The Solicitation Number for this Request For Quotations (RFQ) is M/OP/HNE/P99-002. The Government anticipates awarding a single purchase order. This procurement is for the following items: CLIN NO. 001, Part No. ALSM64-05AE, 64KB Airlink Wireless Modems,Input Power: 90-270 VAC 50/60 HZ Qty. 12 ea.; CLIN NO. 002, Part No. ALS128-05AB, 128KB Airlink Wireless Modems, Input Power: 90-270 VAC 50/60 HZ Qty. 6 ea.; CLIN NO. 003, Part No. ALS256-05AB, 256KB Airlink Wireless Modems, Input Power 90-270 VAC 50/60 HZ Qty. 12 ea.; CLIN NO. 004, Part No. YEA-24SP-NF, 24DBI Semiparabolic Antenna Qty. 30 ea.; CLIN NO, Part No. 005 YELA-24, Lighting Arrestor with Bracket/Female Connector Qty. 30 ea.; CLIN NO. 006, Part No. YEX-4UF-010M/M, Ultra-Flex RF Cable 10 foot N. Male Connector Qty. 4 ea.; CLIN NO. 007, Part No. YEC-4UF-020M/M Ultra, Flex RF Cable 20 Foot N. Cable Connector Qty. 4 ea.; CLIN NO.008, Part No. YEC-400-1000B, 1000 Foot Spool LMR Cable (Bulk Reel) Qty. 1, CLIN NO. 009, Part No. YE-73565, Type N. 50 OHM Solder/Clamp Connector Qty. 50 ea. F.O.B Point, 8101 Odell Drive, Beltsvile, Maryland,20705. Date of Delivery: No later than July 30, 1999. No partial quotes will be considered. Please acknowledge all requirements on quotations. Please indicate F.O.B point on quote. This procurement is set-aside for small business. The provision at FAR 52.212-1, Instructions to Offerors, applies to this acquisition. Evaluation is based on best value including cost and ability to meet service requirements. Offerors shall include a completed copy of the provision at FAR 52.212-3, Offeror Representations and Certifications-Commercial Items, with its offer. The clause at 52.212-4, Contract terms and Conditions-Commercial Items, applies to this acquisition. In addition to the guidance contained in FAR 52.212-4, contractors shall submit proof of delivery with their invoices. The receiving office or representative of USAID may in the form of a bill of lading or other shipping document sign proof of delivery. Invoices received without proof of delivery with their invoices will not be accepted. The clause at FAR 52.212-5, Contract Terms and Conditions Required to Implement Status or Executive Orders-Commercial Items, applies to this acquisition. Offers are due by close of business 07/25/99, and can be submitted by fax to (202) 216-3052 Attn: Daisy Matthews. Inquiries regarding this request will only beaccepted via Fax. Posted 06/18/99 (W-SN344815). (0169) COMMERCE BUSINESS DAILY ISSUE OF JULY 20,1999 PSA#2391 U.S. Agency for International Development, M/OP/B/HNE, Room 7.09-120, 1300 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, Washington, DC 20523-7100 70 -- GENERAL PURPOSE AUTOMATED DATA PROCESSING EQUIPMENT SOL M/OP/HNE/P99-003 DUE 072399 POC POC Daisy Matthews: Purchasing Agent, M/OP/B/HNE, Fax: (202) 216-3052; Telephone: (202) 712-0512, Internet: dmatthews@u..., Contracting Officer: James A. Jeckell WEB: http://www.info.usaid.gov/procurement_bus_opp/procurement/announce/cbd, http://www.info.usaid.gov. E-MAIL: http://www.info.usaid.gov, dmatthews@u.... This is a combined synopsis/solicitation for commercial items prepared in accordance with the format in Federal Acquisition Regulations (FAR) subpart 12.6, as supplemented with additional information included in this notice. This announcement constitutes the only solicitation; quotes are being requested and A WRITTEN SOLICITATION WILL NOT BE ISSUED. This CBD notice can be viewed and downloaded using the Agency Web Site. The Worldwide web address is http://www.info.usaid.gov. Select Business and Procurement Opportunities from the home page, then "USAID Procurements." On the following screen, select "Download Available USAID Solicitations." The Solicitation Number for this Request For Quotations (RFQ) is M/OP/HNE/P99-003. The Government anticipates awarding a single purchase order. This procurement is for the following item: CLIN NO. 001, Part No. Radyne DD 2401L, Receive-Only Modem, with Cisco Cable Kit, Twenty (20) each. F.O.B Point, 8101 Odell Drive, Suite 110, Beltsvile, Maryland,20705. Date of Delivery: No later than August 20, 1999. No partial quotes will be considered. Please acknowledge all requirements on quotations. Please indicate F.O.B point on quote. This procurement is set-aside for small business. The provision at FAR 52.212-1, Instructions to Offerors, applies to this acquisition. Evaluation is based on best value including cost and ability to meet service requirements. Offerors shall include a completed copy of the provision at FAR 52.212-3, Offeror Representations and Certifications-Commercial Items, with its offer. The clause at 52.212-4, Contract terms and Conditions-Commercial Items, applies to this acquisition. In addition to the guidance contained in FAR 52.212-4, contractors shall submit proof of delivery with their invoices. The receiving office or representative of USAID may in the form of a bill of lading or other shipping document sign proof of delivery. Invoices received without proof of delivery with their invoices will not be accepted. The clause at FAR 52.212-5, Contract Termsand Conditions Required to Implement Status or Executive Orders-Commercial Items, applies to this acquisition. Offers are due by close of business 07/23/99, and can be submitted by fax to (202) 216-3052 Attn: Daisy Matthews. Inquiries regarding this request will only be accepted via Fax. Posted 07/16/99 (W-SN355185). (0197) Loren Data Corp. http://www.ld.com (SYN# 0398 19990720\70-0012.SOL --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://216.33.118.202/EPSData/AID/Synopses/11471/M-OP-1787/PROPOSALINSTRUCTIONS.doc Courier services will cover the District of Columbia; Montgomery and Prince George's County, Maryland, Fairfax and Arlington Counties, and the Cities of Alexandria and Falls Church, Virginia. 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Washington, D.C. 20523 Maryland (1) USAID Mainframe Computer Center 8101 Odell Road Beltsville, MD 20705 Virginia (2) Tower Building (State Annex 14) 1100 Wilsong Boulevard Rosslyn, VA 22209 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://md.allpages.com/beltsville/real-estate/real-estate-services/ Montage Inc 8101 Odell Road Beltsville, MD 20705-4110 Phone: (301) 210-4540 Business Types: Property Maintenance & Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2002/020718-scs1.htm The Baltimore Sun July 18, 2002 Report faults decisions by intelligence agencies By Tom Bowman WASHINGTON - The nation's spy agencies failed to provide adequate warning of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks due partly to a series of "questionable management decisions" about where to spend money and assign workers, according to a sharply worded congressional report released yesterday. The Central Intelligence Agency and the National Security Agency must do more to penetrate al-Qaida and other terrorist organizations, said the report by the House Intelligence Subcommittee on Terrorism and Homeland Security. It was the first congressional report on the subject since the attacks on the Pentagon and the World Trade Center. The CIA should hire more foreign agents, while the NSA must shift from being a passive listener to a "proactive hunter" of terrorist targets. At the same time, the FBI was faulted in the report for the reluctance of top officials to share counterintelligence information with other agencies. "This report contains constructive suggestions for what the intelligence community needs to do to strengthen our country's counterterrorism intelligence capabilities," said Rep. Porter J. Goss, the Florida Republican who chairs the committee and has joined with the Senate committee in an investigation into why America had no advance warning of the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. The FBI had no immediate comment on the report, while the CIA and NSA said they were making progress in dealing with the terrorist threat. Though funding for counterterrorism has sharply increased, both intelligence agencies said they face budget constraints in pursuing terrorists and spies. The intelligence community, with an annual budget in excess of $30 billion, is expected to receive billions of dollars more in the coming years. The CIA has an estimated work force of 19,000 and the NSA is believed to have 25,000 employees at Fort Meade, although precise figures are classified. While the report repeated long-standing criticisms that the agencies must hire more linguists and analysts to fight terrorism, the report broke ground by focusing on management decisions it said were key factors in the agencies' inability to sound the alarm before Sept. 11. The CIA's human intelligence - such as that gathered by foreign spies in the agency's employ - steadily eroded in the early to mid-1990s because the CIA perceived a reduced terrorist threat, the report said. It said the NSA had failed to find a way to closely follow a target who switches from a land-line phone to a cell phone or an Internet address. A senior intelligence official, who requested anonymity, said the CIA had yet to completely review the 100-page classified report. A declassified, 10-page summary was publicly released. But the intelligence official defended the agency's efforts on counterterrorism. Beginning in 1997, Director George J. Tenet beefed up the agency's efforts against terrorism with new employees and more focused analysis. Counterterrorism funding grew by 50 percent between 1997 and 2001, while the number of case officers - those who recruit foreign spies - rose by the same percentage. The official laid part of the agency's difficulty at the feet of Congress and the White House: "We certainly ask the administration and Congress to reverse the trend of increasing intelligence funding after terrorist attacks and then dropping back to former inadequate levels after the smoke clears." Robert Baer, a CIA officer for 21 years who left in 1997 and wrote about his experiences in the recent book See No Evil, said the committee's criticisms jibe with his own. Too much money was spent on CIA headquarters staff, he said, and not enough on the critical and often risky intelligence work overseas. The committee report "is right on the mark," he said. NSA released a statement saying it is dedicated to meeting technological challenges and ensuring that it has the right skills mix in its work force. The statement also said that since the end of the Cold War, "NSA is one-third smaller in population and has one-third fewer resources at its disposal." John Pike, an intelligence analyst with globalsecurity.org, said that many of the criticisms were not new, and some of them amount to "Monday morning quarterbacking" by Congress. Still, Pike said he was intrigued that the committee is calling for NSA to become a hunter rather than a passive listener. He said that might mean the agency will be encouraged to start "placing more bugs" around the world through its Special Collection Service, a joint program it runs with CIA that operates out of a secret office building in Beltsville. ------------------------------------------- http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/WEBONLY/publicfeature/apr03/code.html Bond, James Bond But a big remaining challenge, according to John Pike, a defense expert and founder of GlobalSecurity.org, are fiber-optic cables that stay on land. "I think that one of the things that [Navy Seals] spend a fair amount of time doing is [going] ashore...and walking to the nearest land line," says Pike. "They were doing that in Iraq a decade ago." Pike believes that this may also be how fiber-optic communications in North Korea and other countries are monitored: "It's cat and mouse, we try to see how many taps we can put on [chief of state Kim Jong II's] fiber-optic network, and the Dear Leader runs around and tries to catch them." Another, more aggressive approach to the land-line problem is to force an opponent onto the airwaves. "One of the things the United States has been doing since the middle of 2002 is systematically taking apart Iraq's land-line communications with air strikes, to force them to communicate via channels that are more readily compromised," says Pike. Indeed, this may be the reason why U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell was able to present incriminating Iraqi telephone conversations to the United Nations last February. When a more subtle approach than aerial bombardment is called for, agencies like the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) and the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) can call upon organizations such as the Special Collection Service (SCS), a joint NSA-CIA covert group headquartered in Beltsville, Md. "What this group does is the more surreptitious black-bag operations," explains Wayne Madsen, who previously worked at the NSA and is now a senior fellow at the Electronic Privacy Information Center (Washington, D.C.). Black-bag operations can include breaking into embassies or facilities of communications providers and stealing information or installing bugs. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "It's been extremely difficult to break Russian ciphers" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- By bugging a computer or communications system, information can be captured before it's sent through a fiber-optic cable, author Bamford observes. A tiny microphone dropped into a keyboard can pick up the sound made by the keys as they are struck and transmit the sounds to a nearby receiver. Different keys, according to Bamford, "sound different­each has a specific signature." Those signatures can be used to reconstruct what was typed. The SCS also allows the Sigint community "to be proactive, to go after information rather than sit and wait," explains Bamford. Another important SCS mission is to recruit people who work for targeted governments, like cryptographic clerks or systems administrators, to ensure access to sensitive information, such as cipher keys. When successful, such activities also allow the NSA to avoid another steep hurdle: encryption. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.long-intl.com/mbw.htm CIA OPERATIONS FACILITY - Provided master planning, scheduling, budgeting, and monthly monitoring services on this $17 million new construction project at Beltsville, Maryland. The project was a classified fast-track office/research facility. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ww.villagevoice.com/features/9908/vest_madsen.shtml February 24 - March 2, 1999 A Most Unusual Collection Agency How the U.S. undid UNSCOM through its empire of electronic ears By Jason Vest and Wayne Madsen When Saddam Hussein raised the possibility of attacking U.S. planes in Turkey last week, his threats illustrated what many in diplomatic circles regard as an international disgrace­ the emasculation of the UN by the U.S. When UNSCOM, the UN's arms-inspection group for Iraq, was created in 1991, it drew on personnel who, despite their respective nationalities, would serve the UN. Whatever success UNSCOM achieved, however, was in spite of its multinational makeup. While a devoted group of UN staffers managed to set up an independent unit aimed at finding Saddam's weapons and ways of concealing them, other countries seeking to do business with sanctions-impaired Iraq­ notably France and Russia­ used inspectors as spies for their own ends. But what ultimately killed UNSCOM were revelations that the U.S. government had manipulated it by assuming control of its intelligence apparatus last spring (or perhaps even earlier by using the group to slip spies into Iraq) not so much to aid UNSCOM's mission, but to get information for use in future aerial bombardments. When stories to this effect broke last month, however, there was almost no consistency in descriptions of the agencies involved or techniques used. The New York Times, for example, said only one CIA spy had been sent into Baghdad last March to set up an automated eavesdropping device. Time had multiple Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) operatives planting bugs around Baghdad throughout 1998. The Wall Street Journal referred to the use of one "device" from the National Security Agency (NSA) last year and "a series of espionage operations used by the U.S. [since] 1996 to monitor the communications" of Saddam and his elite. When probing the world of espionage, rarely does a clear picture emerge. But according to a handful of published sources, as well as assessments by independent experts and interviews with current and former intelligence officers, the U.S. government's prime mover in Iraqi electronic surveillance was most likely a super-secret organization run jointly by the the CIA and the NSA­ the spy agency charged with gathering signals intelligence (known as SIGINT)­ called the Special Collection Service. Further, there is evidence to suggest that the Baghdad operation was an example of the deployment of a highly classified, multinational SIGINT agreement­ one that may have used Australians to help the U.S. listen in­ months after the CIA failed to realize the U.S. objective of overthrowing Saddam Hussein through covert action. According to former UNSCOM chief inspector Scott Ritter, when the U.S. took over the group's intelligence last year, a caveat was added regarding staffing: only international personnel with U.S. clearances could participate. "This requirement," says Ritter, "really shows the kind of perversion of mission that went on. The U.S. was in control, but the way it operated from day one was, U.S. runs it, but it had to be a foreigner [with a clearance] operating the equipment." authors Andrew and Patrick Cockburn demonstrate in their just published book Out of the Ashes: The Resurrection of Saddam Hussein, were two of the most colossally bungled CIA covert operations since the Bay of Pigs. While details of one of the failed operations were widely reported, the Cockburns fleshed out details of an arguably worse coup attempt gone awry in June 1996. Iraqi counterintelligence had not only managed to finger most of the suspects in advance, but months before had even captured an encrypted mobile satellite communications device that the CIA gave the plotters. Adding insult to injury, the Cockburns report, Iraqi counterintelligence used the CIA's own device to notify them of their failure: "We have arrested all your people," the CIA team in Amman, Jordan, reportedly was told via their uplink. "You might as well pack up and go home." Some UNSCOM staffers­ first under Russian Nikita Smidovich, later under American Scott Ritter­ managed to create what amounted to a formidable micro- espionage unit devoted to fulfilling UNSCOM's mission. Between information passed on from various countries and use of unspecified but probably limited surveillance equipment, the inspectors were gathering a great deal. But in March 1998, according to Ritter, the U.S. told UNSCOM chair Richard Butler of Australia that it wanted to "coordinate" UNSCOM's intelligence gathering. Ritter insists that no U.S. spies under UNSCOM cover could have been operating in Baghdad without his knowledge prior to his resignation in August 1998. However, as veteran spies point out, if they were, Ritter probably wouldn't have known. A number of sources interviewed by the Voice believe it possible that Special Collection Service personnel may have been operating undercover in Baghdad. According to a former high-ranking intelligence official, SCS was formed in the late 1970s after competition between the NSA's embassy-based eavesdroppers and the CIA's globe-trotting bugging specialists from its Division D had become counterproductive. While sources differ on how SCS works­ some claim its agents never leave their secret embassy warrens where they perform close- quarters electronic eavesdropping, while others say agents operate embassy- based equipment in addition to performing riskier "black-bag" jobs, or break- ins, for purposes of bugging­ "there's a lot of pride taken in what SCS has accomplished," the former official says. Intriguingly, the only on-the-record account of the Special Collection Service has been provided not by an American but by a Canadian. Mike Frost, formerly of the Communications Security Establishment­ Canada's NSA equivalent­ served as deputy director of CSE's SCS counterpart and was trained by the SCS. In a 1994 memoir, Frost describes the complexities of mounting "special collection" operations­ finding ways to transport sophisticated eavesdropping equipment in diplomatic pouches without arousing suspicion, surreptitiously assembling a device without arousing suspicion in his embassy, technically troubleshooting under less than ideal conditions­ and also devotes considerable space to describing visits to SCS's old College Park headquarters. "It is not the usual sanitorium-clean atmosphere you would expect to find in a top-secret installation," writes Frost. "Wires everywhere, jerry-rigged gizmos everywhere, computers all over the place, some people buzzing around in three- piece suits, and others in jeans and t-shirts. [It was] the ultimate testing and engineering centre for any espionage equipment." Perhaps one of its most extraordinary areas was its "live room," a 30-foot-square area where NSA and CIA devices were put through dry runs, and where engineers simulated the electronic environment of cities where eavesdroppers are deployed. Several years ago, according to sources, SCS relocated to a new, 300-acre, three- building complex disguised as a corporate campus and shielded by a dense forest outside Beltsville, Maryland. Curious visitors to the site will find themselves stopped at a gate by a Department of Defense police officer who, if one lingers, will threaten arrest. There are good reasons, explains an old NSA hand, for havingelectronic ears on terra firma in addition to satellites. "If you're listening to something from thousands of miles up, the footprint to sort through is so huge, and finding what you are looking for is not a simple chore. If you know more or less specifically what you want, it's easier to get it in close proximity. And if it happens to be a low-powered signal, it may not travel far enough." According to two sources familiar with intelligence activity in Iraq, the U.S. may have been aided by information delivered either to UNSCOM or SCS from Ericsson, the Swedish telecommunications firm. It's not an unreasonable assumption; though Ericsson brushes off questions about it, in 1996 a Middle Eastern businessman filed suit against the company, claiming, among other things, that it had stiffed him on his commission for brokering a deal between the Iraqis and Ericsson for sensitive defense communications equipment, which, reportedly, included encrypted cell phones. Speaking on condition of anonymity, a veteran intelligence official confirmed that the NSA has "arrangements" with other communications firms that allow NSA to access supposedly secure communications, but cooperation from Ericsson would be "a breakthrough­ despite our best efforts, they always kept their distance. But it's not beyond the realm of possibility." (This is not without precedent; though hardly covered in the American press, it has been reported that Switzerland's Crypto AG­ long the supplier of cipher equipment to many of the world's neutral and "rogue" states­ enjoyed such an "arrangement" with the NSA for decades. Crypto AG denies this.) There is, however, another possible scenario regarding participation by Ericsson in an intelligence venture. According to FAS analyst Pike, it's much more likely that anyone doing intelligence work in Iraq would want a schematic of Baghdad's telephone system­ which Ericsson installed in the late '60s and has subsequently updated. "I would find it to be far more plausible that the U.S. intelligence community would be interested in acquiring, and Ericsson would be interested in supplying, the wiring diagram for Baghdad's telephone exchange than encryption algorithms for cell phones," he says. Also, he explains, finding ways to tap into a whole phone system or pull short-range signals out of the air without being obvious is clearly SCS's portfolio. "This type of risky close surveillance is what SCS was formed to do," he says. "When you think of NSA, you think satellites. When you think CIA, you think James Bond and microfilm. But you don't really think of an agency whose sole purpose is to get up real close and use the best technology there is to listen and transmit. That's SCS." Regarding any possible collaboration in Iraq with SCS or UNSCOM, Kathy Egan, Ericsson spokesperson, said she had no information on such an operation, but if there was one, "It would be classified and we would not be able to talk about it." It's also possible, according to Mike Frost, that cleverly disguised bugs might have been planted in Baghdad­ SCS, he recalls, managed to listen in on secured facilities by bugging pigeons. But, says a retired CIA veteran, with UNSCOM effectively dead, bugging is now out of the question. "I hope the take from this op," he says, "was worth losing the only access the outside world's disarmament experts had to Iraq." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We Expertly Hunt Real Spies, Real Eavesdroppers, and Real Wiretappers. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. 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Right now they are > bench prototypes. -- w8twk Freelance Systems Programming http://www.fsp.com 10593 From: Michael Hammer Date: Thu Jan 13, 2005 9:21am Subject: Re: Ruling gives cops leeway with GPS The answer Greg, is that the issue is about where we as a society draw the lines (and who should draw them) rather than whether something is currently legal (or illegal) because of an administrative decision, a lower court decision, etc. I'm a lifelong Goldwater Republican (no Neocon here) and proud of it. Barry would be rolling over in his grave! As someone who handles computer security issues, I work with LEOs at various levels across a wide range of issues. Sometimes it's something I bring them and sometimes it's because they approach us (formally with a subpeona or search warrant and sometimes informally). Some of the hoops we all jump through for the legalities are just plain silly. Still, when all is said and done, as a citizen I would prefer to see some bad guys go free than trample on the privacy and rights of the average person by eliminating those hoops. I've lived and worked in countries where survelliance by the government is an everyday thing and it's not something I would like to see here. I give up a certain amount of personal privacy because of the nature of the work I do. That is a choice I make at an individual level. Your focus is on the technical nuances rather than the societal and ethical issues. Your job is to catch bad guys. Your preference is for things to be structured to make it easier for you to do your job. When you attach a GPS tracking device to something, it doesn't know the difference between publicly accessible places and private property. It's an idiot savant tool. Where you stand depends on where you sit. Some books which might help better frame the issues for you include: "World without Secrets" By Richard Hunter (Gartner Analyst, don't hold it against him ) A quick synopsis can be found at http://www.csoonline.com/analyst/report230.html You could also try reading some of Bruce Schneiers writings (If you ever have the chance to see Bruce present, he is an awesome mind) Some of his essays/op ed pieces can be found at: http://www.schneier.com/essays.html To put his writings in perspective, Bruce has a long track record in the security field, specifically in crypto. Mike On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:37:45 -0800, Greg Horton wrote: > > > Michael Hammer wrote: > > > By that logic, I should just be able to break into (and wipe out) an > > internet host that is being used to do bad things. We will get it shut > > down/confiscated anyways by going through the legal steps so why not > > just cut to the chase. As tempting as that may be, I understand the > > reasons we have limitations. > > > > Just because something can be done doesn't mean it should be done. > > Requiring a court order is a check/balance on the activities involved. > > > > Mike > > > > Holy Smokes Mike, what a leap of logic you make. How on earth do you > > make a connection between following someone on a public thoroughfare > > and comitting a burglary and then committing an additional crime of > > wiping the computer clean. Talk about a non sequitur. There is no > > requirement for a court order and case law has reaffirmed this > > technique by the police. If you are that concerned about this type of > > operation, maybe you should spearhead a movement to pass appropriate > > legislation. > > Greg > 10594 From: Hawkspirit Date: Thu Jan 13, 2005 11:43am Subject: Ruling gives cops leeway with GPS I think the ruling stinks but it is good for business as long as you are competent at sniffing out GPS units. And let me say, it is sometimes it is no easy task. Roger Tolces HYPERLINK "http://www.bugsweeps.com/"www.bugsweeps.com Message: 1 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 04:16:19 -0800 (PST) From: G P Subject: Re: Ruling gives cops leeway with GPS Because anybody and everybody can now fix up your car with a GPS unit, without fear of civil or criminal prosecution. This court precedent puts very dangerous technology into the hands of the proletariat, without any form of checks and balances. Wait until somebody wires up your wife's car for sound, and you'll have a slightly different opinion about tracking technology. --- Greg Horton wrote: > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.10 - Release Date: 1/10/2005 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 10595 From: Tech Sec Lab Date: Thu Jan 13, 2005 5:44pm Subject: Pentagon [OT] Well, I hadn't seen this until today. I can say this, it wasn't a 757. That's for sure. http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon.php Tragic that the truth will never be known. 10596 From: littledog Date: Thu Jan 13, 2005 3:10pm Subject: Re: Ruling gives cops leeway with GPS anybody, what was that website again that sells a small GPS blocker for your car? I accadently deleted that info. Thanx> -----Original Message----- > From: Hawkspirit [mailto:hawkspirit@e...] > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005, 9:43 AM > To: TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [TSCM-L] Ruling gives cops leeway with GPS > > > > > I think the ruling stinks but it is good for business as long as you are > competent at sniffing out GPS units. And let me say, it is sometimes it is > no easy task. > > > > Roger Tolces > > HYPERLINK "http://www.bugsweeps.com/"www.bugsweeps.com > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 04:16:19 -0800 (PST) > > From: G P > > Subject: Re: Ruling gives cops leeway with GPS > > > > Because anybody and everybody can now fix up your car > > with a GPS unit, without fear of civil or criminal > > prosecution. This court precedent puts very dangerous > > technology into the hands of the proletariat, without > > any form of checks and balances. > > > > Wait until somebody wires up your wife's car for > > sound, and you'll have a slightly different opinion > > about tracking technology. > > > > --- Greg Horton wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.10 - Release Date: 1/10/2005 > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > ======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > =================================================== TSKS > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > 10597 From: Michael Puchol Date: Thu Jan 13, 2005 6:42pm Subject: Re: Pentagon [OT] I have to say I got sick and tired of footage of a 747 viewed from the ground being shown on the news as "the aircraft heading towards the Pentagon, seconds before impact". The big question after this presentation then is: where did Flight 77 go? The impact explosion footage appears to be of one petrolleum-fuelled, and I don't suppose the Pentagon stores large amounts of gas for internal use on their premises... Aircraft are made mainly of aluminium, which means that when one is completely driven into something, and it combusts, not much is left of it. The pictures of wreckage show are of crashes that had fire crews put out the flames and what is left, mainly struts and thicker structure. The engines tend to survive quite well too, as they are made from titanium, so they should have been in there somewhere. An engine travelling at a few hundred miles per hour can drive quite a distance into a building. If you notice in the Trade Center footage of the second plane hit, one of the engines completely crosses the building and shoots out the opposite end. The combustion is very similar to the one observed in the Pentagon. I'm not saying it's impossible that the whole truth hasn't come out, but I seriously doubt they drove a smaller plane (too much damage for that) or a land vehicle (ground marks?) into it. Regards, Mike Tech Sec Lab wrote: > Well, I hadn't seen this until today. > > I can say this, it wasn't a 757. That's for sure. > > http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon.php > > Tragic that the truth will never be known. > > > > > > ======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > =================================================== TSKS > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > 10598 From: Agent Geiger Date: Thu Jan 13, 2005 6:46pm Subject: Re: Pentagon [OT] How about demo charges in the building already? --- Michael Puchol wrote: > I have to say I got sick and tired of footage of a > 747 viewed from the > ground being shown on the news as "the aircraft > heading towards the > Pentagon, seconds before impact". The big question > after this > presentation then is: where did Flight 77 go? The > impact explosion > footage appears to be of one petrolleum-fuelled, and > I don't suppose the > Pentagon stores large amounts of gas for internal > use on their premises... > > Aircraft are made mainly of aluminium, which means > that when one is > completely driven into something, and it combusts, > not much is left of > it. The pictures of wreckage show are of crashes > that had fire crews put > out the flames and what is left, mainly struts and > thicker structure. > The engines tend to survive quite well too, as they > are made from > titanium, so they should have been in there > somewhere. An engine > travelling at a few hundred miles per hour can drive > quite a distance > into a building. If you notice in the Trade Center > footage of the second > plane hit, one of the engines completely crosses the > building and shoots > out the opposite end. The combustion is very similar > to the one observed > in the Pentagon. > > I'm not saying it's impossible that the whole truth > hasn't come out, but > I seriously doubt they drove a smaller plane (too > much damage for that) > or a land vehicle (ground marks?) into it. > > Regards, > > Mike > > > Tech Sec Lab wrote: > > Well, I hadn't seen this until today. > > > > I can say this, it wasn't a 757. That's for sure. > > > > > http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon.php > > > > Tragic that the truth will never be known. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================== > > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > > "In a multitude of counselors there is > strength" > > > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list > visit: > > http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts > acquire speed, > > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a > warning. > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > > > =================================================== > TSKS > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 10599 From: Greg Horton Date: Thu Jan 13, 2005 8:07pm Subject: Re: Ruling gives cops leeway with GPS Michael Hammer wrote: > > The answer Greg, is that the issue is about where we as a society draw > the lines (and who should draw them) rather than whether something is > currently legal (or illegal) because of an administrative decision, a > lower court decision, etc. > > I'm a lifelong Goldwater Republican (no Neocon here) and proud of it. > Barry would be rolling over in his grave! > > As someone who handles computer security issues, I work with LEOs at > various levels across a wide range of issues. Sometimes it's something > I bring them and sometimes it's because they approach us (formally > with a subpeona or search warrant and sometimes informally). Some of > the hoops we all jump through for the legalities are just plain silly. > Still, when all is said and done, as a citizen I would prefer to see > some bad guys go free than trample on the privacy and rights of the > average person by eliminating those hoops. I've lived and worked in > countries where survelliance by the government is an everyday thing > and it's not something I would like to see here. I give up a certain > amount of personal privacy because of the nature of the work I do. > That is a choice I make at an individual level. > > Your focus is on the technical nuances rather than the societal and > ethical issues. Your job is to catch bad guys. Your preference is for > things to be structured to make it easier for you to do your job. When > you attach a GPS tracking device to something, it doesn't know the > difference between publicly accessible places and private property. > It's an idiot savant tool. > > Where you stand depends on where you sit. Some books which might help > better frame the issues for you include: > > "World without Secrets" By Richard Hunter (Gartner Analyst, don't hold > it against him ) A quick synopsis can be found at > http://www.csoonline.com/analyst/report230.html > > You could also try reading some of Bruce Schneiers writings (If you > ever have the chance to see Bruce present, he is an awesome mind) Some > of his essays/op ed pieces can be found at: > http://www.schneier.com/essays.html To put his writings in > perspective, Bruce has a long track record in the security field, > specifically in crypto. > > Mike > > Good points Mike, but once again, it is a position that is framed by where you sit. I have been working in law enforcement for 30+ years and I think that the issues for me are framed clearly. You imply that we are all running out and randomly putting trackers on hundreds of people, mostly innocent. Once again, I would submit that even though the tracker is inexpensive to operate, It still does require money to purchase and monitor. But I also said that the tracker is only a very small part of the investigation, and can identify only patterns that the individuals may establish. If I see that Jack is going to the corner of Elm and Birch three times a day, I still have to put that location under surveillance and actually see if there is any crime involved. If a crime was observed, I would still need search warrants to search the car or any house I could establish was involved in the criminal act. Then arrest warrants would be in order, or maybe an arrest for a crime in progress. But to say that cops are wantonly placing placing devices on any Tom, Dick, or Harry is patently false. I read the article in the first website, and although it addresses surveillance issues, it doesn't really talk about putting trackers on cars. I also read "Curb electronic surveillance abuses." by Bruce Schneier and it was interesting and I can agree with his stressing that court issued warrants are a vital part of keeping our nation free. But I just don't think that it applies to the trackers put on vehicles in public places. Would you object to me putting a small IR beacon on the back of a car to follow at night with NVG's? That has been done before. Even Bruce Schneier says that It has always been possible for the police to tail a suspect, and wireless tracking is decades old. The only difference is that it's now much easier and cheaper to use the technology. And goes on to say that: Surveillance will continue to become cheaper and easier -- and less intrusive. (Quotes retrieved from: http://www.schneier.com/essay-043.html ) I think that the "less obtrusive" is the key here. Even though cops use trackers, the case doesn't solve itself and it still requires the use of good old fashioned police work to put a case together. Any way, that is my opinion. I want to thank you Mike for this excellent discussion and for you not engaging in the ad hominem attacks like others on this list. It is a pleasure to discuss very important issues with you. Greg [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 10600 From: Date: Fri Jan 14, 2005 5:23am Subject: RE: GPS tracking system signal inhibitors Gentlemen, Obviously using such a device would be highly illegal. With a CW signal and 50 mW of RF power the jammer could be easily tracked within 1km using a conventional DF or even "fox hunt" handheld DF (By the way Cubic makes such DF with a similar application in mind). But more elegant jammers do exist. They use low power composite pulse signals. These jammers are practically not detectable from a distance more than 10 meters even with a dedicated equipment. For further technical details ask CIA or KGB. They have developed these devices for their respective diplomats. By the way even with CW signal you do not need 50 mW RF power to jam GPS receiver. For a SiRF and similar direct conversion receiver 50 microwatts would be enough. Even old Rockwell Navcore can be disabled with 5 mW. Well, this is not a "do it yourself" site as our moderator would say so I am closing down. Regards, A.W. Guy Urbina wrote: > > >Hi all, > >With all the recent chatter about GPS tracking, what are the legal >ramifications of owning or selling a small GPS signal inhibitor? > >With the proliferation of GPS trackers seemingly ubiquitous, it seems like >a good idea to prevent unauthorized people from tracking your movements in >a vehicle. > >I've fabricated a few small devices that transmit a CW carrier under 50mw >in the L1 frequency range. (1575.42Mhz) It effectively overdrives the front >end of COTS GPS receivers.(Garmin, SIRF, Motorola etc.) (Most trackers use >L1 receivers in their systems) > >Within a 10' radius, it effectively prevents a GPS receiver from locking on >to get a position fix. Other than getting FCC type approval certification, > >Would these proposed devices be illegal to own or sell? Right now they are >bench prototypes. > >I appreciate any constructive feedback. > >\R > >-Guy > > > > > > > >======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. >=================================================== TSKS >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp 10601 From: Javier Villanueva Date: Fri Jan 14, 2005 8:05am Subject: Icom IC-R3 and R20 Hi List, I´ve been trying unsuccesfully to buy this equipment Online. All of the shops i´ve found replied they are "out of stock". If any of you sell these, offer "Special modified versions", or know where to find them, i´ll be grateful. Payment by credit card and express delivery to Mexico a big plus. Most probably this will be just the first buy, with more to come. Thank you very much guys. ===== Javier Villanueva C. Vcorp & Asociados Contraespionaje Electrónico y Seguridad Informática Tel. 01 (33) 36 19 47 09 cel. 044 333 392 64 50 msm. javier_vc@h... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 10602 From: Javier Villanueva Date: Fri Jan 14, 2005 8:08am Subject: Icom ICR3 and ICR20, detail Sorry, on the previous mail i forgot to tell you i was referring to the "unblocked" or "Non-USA" version, without the cellular gap. Thanks again. ===== Javier Villanueva C. Vcorp & Asociados Contraespionaje Electrónico y Seguridad Informática Tel. 01 (33) 36 19 47 09 cel. 044 333 392 64 50 msm. javier_vc@h... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 10603 From: delta Date: Fri Jan 14, 2005 8:57am Subject: question about border hello everybody do you know if it is legal to pass the border with some tscm equipment ( cpm700 oscor tdr etc ... ) or if we need a special authorisation to go outside our country ? may be the rules are different between some country ? many thanks david from paris 10604 From: contranl Date: Fri Jan 14, 2005 4:30pm Subject: Infrared Indicators ( credit card size) . Ran in to this manufacturer of credit card sized infrared indicators...maybe they are usefull for anything ? there's a short demo-video too. http://www.bromba.com/indicare.htm I suppose they need a fair bit of illumination Possibly usefull for : a) Detecting laserbeams ( i would say yes ...since they are concentrated beams with sufficient power left over at your end, best would be a card with as big as possible active area,) b) Detecting infrared illuminators for cameras ( i would say yes ...when you are close enough) c) Detecting infrared mics/bugs using infrared light to transport the audio/video ( you need to be very close to the bug to get enough level i guess) Kodak also makes similar cards and bigger sheets Infrared/Nightvision/Thermal-imagers would do too...probably better. Greets Tetrascanner 10605 From: contranl Date: Fri Jan 14, 2005 4:59pm Subject: Re: question about border . It depends on the local laws of the country you want to enter and the one you want to come back to. You might just ask/phone the customs office at the border. A rule of thumb could be that you consider your equipment as a radio-scanner (if it's a wideband receiver for example) In Belgium for example it is forbidden to have/possess/use a scanner therefore you could conclude that any equipment that could do the same could be forbidden too. In some countries they used to lock you up for bringing a satellite-phone...you had to ask special permission to bring that. To go one step further (overdoing it) you can't bring your NLJD to The Netherlands if it works (transmits)on a non-permitted frequency wich many do To go even one more step further...your equipment might be on the list of "strategic goods" usually that list refers to high level advanced stuff...for example a laser gyroscope or a wideband 100 watt jammer...not the regular TSCM equipment :) Many times they just care about the taxes being paid...so a piece of paper issued by your country's custom-tax-office could be sufficient just make shure you go in and out with the same amount of equipment. Anyway you can't ask this question in general because there is no general answer to it,it all depends on the local authorities and sometimes even on who's on service that day. The above is a little overstated and my advice again would be just ask them ! Tetrascanner 10606 From: Robin Hunter Date: Fri Jan 14, 2005 11:21am Subject: Re: question about border Hi David, depends where you are going, in Russia and a number of former Soviet Bloc countries Customs will impound your equipment and you will probably never see it again, similar problem in a number of African and Middle East countries.. Most western european countires - no problem. Regards from Scotland, ROBIN HUNTER AEGIS INTELLIGENCE LIMITED "KNOWLEDGE IS POWER" Member of EPIC (www.epic-uk.com) tel. 0131 312 8480 fax. 087 0132 8085 mobile. 07790900005 email. enquiries@a... www.aegisintelligence.co.uk Standby Member of Missingkin.com www.missingkin.com This message and any attachments are confidential and strictly for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivery to the intended recipient, be aware that you have received this message in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. ----- Original Message ----- From: "delta" To: Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 2:57 PM Subject: [TSCM-L] question about border > > > hello everybody > do you know if it is legal to pass the border with some tscm equipment ( cpm700 oscor tdr etc ... ) or if we need a special > authorisation to go outside our country ? > may be the rules are different between some country ? > many thanks > david from paris > > > > > > > > ======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > =================================================== TSKS > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > 10607 From: Michael Hammer Date: Fri Jan 14, 2005 1:31pm Subject: Re: Ruling gives cops leeway with GPS On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:07:29 -0800, Greg Horton wrote: > > > > > Good points Mike, but once again, it is a position that is framed by > where you sit. I have been working in law enforcement for 30+ years and > I think that the issues for me are framed clearly. And that's my point exactly. The issues are framed for you because it impacts you both as a citizen but more importantly as a law enforcement professional. Someone from the Center for Democracy and Technology (www.cdt.org) would almost certainly be against the use of GPS trackers under almost any circumstance. >You imply that we > are all running out and randomly putting trackers on hundreds of people, > mostly innocent. Absolutely not. What I am explicitly stating is that the potential for abuse is there and checks and balances are appropriate as new technology is introduced. One need only read the Federalist papers to see that our founding fathers basically distrusted government power and structured things to limit government power. Who would have thought an Attorney General (John Mitchell) of the United States would go to prison for acts committed while in office? >Once again, I would submit that even though the > tracker is inexpensive to operate, It still does require money to > purchase and monitor. But I also said that the tracker is only a very > small part of the investigation, and can identify only patterns that the > individuals may establish. If I see that Jack is going to the corner of > Elm and Birch three times a day, I still have to put that location under > surveillance and actually see if there is any crime involved. If a > crime was observed, I would still need search warrants to search the car > or any house I could establish was involved in the criminal act. Then > arrest warrants would be in order, or maybe an arrest for a crime in > progress. But to say that cops are wantonly placing placing devices on > any Tom, Dick, or Harry is patently false. > Again, I'm not saying that they are.... I'm saying that there are enough documented cases of individuals trusted with law enforcement abusing capabilities they are entrusted with that this is an issue (both generally and in the specific case of GPS) that deserves a wider discussion and consensus as to where the boundaries should be. We will either get a clear (national) line if this and other cases make it up the food chain to the Supremes or if there is a legislative resolution (going forward). I would put the question to you.... if placing tracking devices on ALL vehicles makes your job easier, why would anyone object? After all, people that have nothing to hide shouldn't care. Clearly, people that have OnStar in their vehicles are willing to allow themselves to be tracked. > I read the article in the first website, and although it addresses > surveillance issues, it doesn't really talk about putting trackers on > cars. I also read "Curb electronic surveillance abuses." by Bruce > Schneier and it was interesting and I can agree with his stressing that > court issued warrants are a vital part of keeping our nation free. But > I just don't think that it applies to the trackers put on vehicles in > public places. Would you object to me putting a small IR beacon on the > back of a car to follow at night with NVG's? That has been done > before. Even Bruce Schneier says that > The article on the first site ( re World without Secrets) doesn't cover as much territory as the book. I highly recommend reading the book even though I disagree with many of his conclusions. It frames the discussion and issues fairly well. As far as a small ir beacon, I would have to think about that and possibly do some research to formulate a position on it. My first reaction would tend towards thinking this should require a court order on the basis that you are doing something to the individuals property in order to track them. This is one of those grey areas as far as I'm concerned. Take a step back and let's frame the issues in the broadest sense. What we (as a society) are really struggling with is how to deal with new capabilities arising from new technologies. What is appropriate and what is inappropriate? Why should we choose one dividing line vs another? On one level, I obviously don't care about personal privacy vis-a-vis the government because more than one government agency has detailed information about me including biometrics/dna....all given up as part of the employment process. As a LEO you would probably have a difficult time getting that data if you could find it at all. On another level I care very much about giving up personal data including surveillence. Just because someone can use a satellite to watch me sit by my lake naked doesn't mean it's a good thing (ugly thing that I am I'd probably crack the lense anyways). > It has always been possible for the police to tail a suspect, and > wireless tracking is decades old. The only difference is that it's now > much easier and cheaper to use the technology. > > And goes on to say that: > > Surveillance will continue to become cheaper and easier -- and less > intrusive. (Quotes retrieved from: > http://www.schneier.com/essay-043.html ) > > I think that the "less obtrusive" is the key here. Even though cops use > trackers, the case doesn't solve itself and it still requires the use of > good old fashioned police work to put a case together. Any way, that is > my opinion. I want to thank you Mike for this excellent discussion and > for you not engaging in the ad hominem attacks like others on this > list. The key quote from Bruces article is really his parting thought. "Much of the rhetoric on the "security" side of the debate cloaks one of its real aims: increasing law enforcement powers by decreasing its oversight and accountability. It's a very dangerous road to take, and one that will make us all less secure. The more surveillance technologies that require a warrant before use, the safer we all are." Here's another related issue for you Greg. Check out this link and tell me what you think (I have a feeling I know where you will come down on this).... http://www.capecodonline.com/cctimes/dnasweep6.htm This (DNA Sweep) deeply troubles me on a couple of levels, particularly the following quote: "Police say it's a voluntary thing, but they will take note of the dissenters. " So, once someone has given up their DNA sample for this specific case (let's assume voluntarily), what will be done with it once they are found not to be the person involved? Will the information be discarded? Absolutely not, that would be destruction of evidence and the defense attorney (assuming someone is brought to trial) would have a field day. So this will in essence become part of a government controlled database and subject to other uses. Do the people involved really know (perhaps they don't understand or care) the extent of the personal information they are giving up? >It is a pleasure to discuss very important issues with you. Likewise. Time to get some work done. Mike 10608 From: Michael Angelo Date: Fri Jan 14, 2005 2:27pm Subject: Re: question about border cowboy delta wrote: hello everybody do you know if it is legal to pass the border with some tscm equipment ( cpm700 oscor tdr etc ... ) or if we need a special authorisation to go outside our country ? may be the rules are different between some country ? many thanks david from paris ======================================================== TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. =================================================== TSKS --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TSCM-L/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: TSCM-L-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! – Get yours free! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 10609 From: Dragos Ruiu Date: Fri Jan 14, 2005 7:02pm Subject: Intersting doodad: Bumblebee Wireless spectrum analyzer.... Anyone used one of these and care to share any experience: http://www.bvsystems.com/Products/WLAN/BumbleBee/bumblebee.htm Looks like an interesting gadget, tough I haven't found out yet if they want a ridiculous amount of money for it. It would also be interesting to find out if they could produce a variant with a wider sweep range/more agile front end.... (I'm on a quest to find WLAN node directional locators... specifically to find out which out of a few hundred laptops in a big room has a particular mac address and is messing around to other's detriment...) thanks, --dr -- World Security Pros. Cutting Edge Training, Tools, and Techniques Vancouver, CanadaMay 4-6 2005 http://cansecwest.com pgpkey http://dragos.com/ kyxpgp 10610 From: Date: Fri Jan 14, 2005 4:53pm Subject: Re: question about border It's legal, but you might have trouble getting your equipment back in the US. Customs might think you just purchased it elsewhere. You need a customs form which shows you purchased it in the US , or had it already, and took it out of the country with you. You list mfgr, model number and serial number, etc. LARSEN and ASSOCIATES PRIVATE INVESTIGATIONS 18847 N. Alameda Drive Surprise, Arizona, 85387 ph/fax: 623-594-1783 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 10611 From: Hawkspirit Date: Fri Jan 14, 2005 10:36pm Subject: GPS Jammer HYPERLINK "http://www.phrack.org/phrack/60/p60-0x0d.txt"http://www.phrack.org/phrack/6 0/p60-0x0d.txt Does anyone know how to decode the schematic? Roger -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.12 - Release Date: 1/14/2005 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 10612 From: Charles Patterson Date: Fri Jan 14, 2005 10:47pm Subject: Re: Infrared Indicators ( credit card size) Radio Shack here in the US (do you have Radio Shack in the UK?) used to sell them (maybe they still do). If I recall, you had to "charge it up" by exposing it to a florescent light, then it would glow when ir shined on it. You did have to be pretty close to the source. Main purpose was to test your tv remote. Charles ----- Original Message ----- From: "contranl" To: Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 5:30 PM Subject: [TSCM-L] Infrared Indicators ( credit card size) > > . > > Ran in to this manufacturer of credit card sized infrared > indicators...maybe they are usefull for anything ? > there's a short demo-video too. > > http://www.bromba.com/indicare.htm > > I suppose they need a fair bit of illumination > > Possibly usefull for : > > > a) > Detecting laserbeams ( i would say yes ...since they are > concentrated beams with sufficient power left over at your end, > best would be a card with as big as possible active area,) > > b) > Detecting infrared illuminators for cameras ( i would say > yes ...when you are close enough) > > c) > Detecting infrared mics/bugs using infrared light to transport the > audio/video ( you need to be very close to the bug to get enough > level i guess) > > > Kodak also makes similar cards and bigger sheets > > Infrared/Nightvision/Thermal-imagers would do too...probably better. > > > Greets > > Tetrascanner > > > > > > ======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > =================================================== TSKS > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TSCM-L/ > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > TSCM-L-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > 10613 From: Andy Moore Date: Fri Jan 14, 2005 0:00pm Subject: Re: question about border David, at a guess, I'd imagine that there would be legal issues in crossing international borders with certain TSCM equipment. Many countries have regulations about possessing equipment which can receive frequencies other than broadcast and most will have rules relating to radio transmission equipment such as NLJDs. Standard ICT test equipment, such as multimeters and butt sets, probably wouldn't attract too much attention but spectrum analysers which reach into 10's of GHz might be subject to arms export regulations (!). All in all, you'd need to check with the countries into which you are importing the equipment - professional import/export handlers may be able to assist. In the face of these risks, you're unlikely to have any problems whatsoever travelling by road within the EU although airport x-rays may result in a detailed inspection by customs! Andy M ----- Original Message ----- From: "delta" To: Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 2:57 PM Subject: [TSCM-L] question about border > > > hello everybody > do you know if it is legal to pass the border with some tscm equipment ( cpm700 oscor tdr etc ... ) or if we need a special > authorisation to go outside our country ? > may be the rules are different between some country ? > many thanks > david from paris > > > > > > > > ======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > =================================================== TSKS > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > 10614 From: Andy Moore Date: Sat Jan 15, 2005 3:21am Subject: Fw: question about border > David, > at a guess, I'd imagine that there would be legal issues in crossing > international borders with certain TSCM equipment. Many countries have > regulations about possessing equipment which can receive frequencies other > than broadcast and most will have rules relating to radio transmission > equipment such as NLJDs. Standard ICT test equipment, such as multimeters > and butt sets, probably wouldn't attract too much attention but spectrum > analysers which reach into 10's of GHz might be subject to arms export > regulations (!). All in all, you'd need to check with the countries into > which you are importing the equipment - professional import/export handlers > may be able to assist. In the face of these risks, you're unlikely to have > any problems whatsoever travelling by road within the EU although airport > x-rays may result in a detailed inspection by customs! > > Andy M > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "delta" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 2:57 PM > Subject: [TSCM-L] question about border > > > > > > > > hello everybody > > do you know if it is legal to pass the border with some tscm equipment ( > cpm700 oscor tdr etc ... ) or if we need a special > > authorisation to go outside our country ? > > may be the rules are different between some country ? > > many thanks > > david from paris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================== > > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > > http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, > > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > > =================================================== TSKS > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10615 From: Michael Puchol Date: Sat Jan 15, 2005 5:03am Subject: Re: Intersting doodad: Bumblebee Wireless spectrum analyzer.... Hi, I've yet to either see one operating or know of someone that has one or has seen one operating. I believe this device to be more a stunt for the other products the company makes, than something tangible. The device is way too expensive (they charged twice the going price for the PDA alone, for example). If you need to do surveys like you mention, you can do with AirMagnet and a Cisco 350 card with MMCX antenna jacks - then you can connect a small 2.4GHz handheld yagi and attenuators to it, and do the hunting. AirMagnet costs some $2.5k last I looked, but it's quite an impressive little package, I have seen it operating and I have used it quite a few times myself. The BumbleBee does not demodulate data at all, which means that you cannot really tie a signal to a particular computer/MAC address without further manual inspection. With AirMagnet you can set a filter to capture only packets coming from a particular MAC address, and thus hunt for it in confidence. If you are not concerned about using commercial tools, you can flash an iPAQ with Linux and use the vast array of tools available for it. Regards, Mike Dragos Ruiu wrote: > > Anyone used one of these and care to share any experience: > > http://www.bvsystems.com/Products/WLAN/BumbleBee/bumblebee.htm > > Looks like an interesting gadget, tough I haven't found out > yet if they want a ridiculous amount of money for it. > > It would also be interesting to find out if they could produce a > variant with a wider sweep range/more agile front end.... > > (I'm on a quest to find WLAN node directional locators... > specifically to find out which out of a few hundred laptops > in a big room has a particular mac address and is messing > around to other's detriment...) > > thanks, > --dr > 10616 From: contranl Date: Sat Jan 15, 2005 5:34am Subject: Re: GPS Jammer . The complete and readable circuit and more other hot and iligal stuff used to be here: (i have seen it) http://www.dafh.org/gbppr/mil/gps/gps_jammer.png currently the're offline...maybe forever...(not necessarly when they were online it took a minute to see a page) Allthough i would'nt be surprised if they are really gone now The main page can still be found in google's cache: http://www.google.nl/search?q=cache:RiNkf9RKl- EJ:www.dafh.org/gbppr/mil/gps/+gps+jammer+png&hl=nl Maybe you can find it spending a few ours of research on the net possibly someone has copied it...try to put the properties of the links back in to google maybe it's cached somewhere Tetrascanner