From: James M. Atkinson Date: Tue Jan 29, 2002 8:16am Subject: Re: 900 - 2.6 Yagi At 5:51 PM -0600 1/28/02, brnsike@s... wrote: >I may be behind the curve on this one, but it may be of interest to >someone. I picked up a small Yagi log periodic antenna (on a circuit >board) over the net. Cut for 900-2.6. Thing's about 8" square. I put >a rubber pistol grip (for SLR camera) on it and connected it to my Tek >492. Put a small 9v 2.4 Ghz transmitter on the other side of the house >and tried it out. Had to attenuate the signal down quite a lot, but >finally got good, usable signal. Was amazed at the sensitivity. Was >like moving a compass around true north. I literally could draw a >straight line from the tip of the antenna to the transmitter. The >slightest movement away from the transmitter would effect the amplitude, >whether left, right, up or down. Like aiming a pistol. Very impressed >(of course I'm still impressed with hard drives over 20 meg's). Don't >want to make this a commercial message, but anyone interested in the >page cite, let me know. Cost a princely $40. > >Martin Brown >Brown & Sikes, Inc. >Dallas Martin, I suspect that you are referring to the Ramsey antenna, and if so be careful using the thing above about 1.5 GHz.. Ramsey also has a pre-amplified Discone the list may find of interest, but keep in mind it's designed for hobby use. You may find it helpful to remove the BNC connector and cable provided (they are crap), and replace it with a SMA that goes right into an LNA and then into your 492. If you like the performance of the Ramsey unit, try to lay your hands on a equiangular antenna to check out, and a spiral log periodic. Attached a decent LNA (using only SMA connectors) and I promise you will be stunned with the performance. -jma -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The First, The Largest, The Most Popular, and The Most Complete TSCM, Bug Sweep, Spy Hunting, and Counterintelligence Site on the Internet. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. AtkinsonPhone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island GroupFax: (978) 546-9467 127 Eastern Avenue #291http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008mailto:jmatk@t... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. - George Orwell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4684 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Tue Jan 29, 2002 8:50am Subject: Do you have E-mail address? An unemployed man goes to apply for a job with Microsoft as a janitor. The manager there arranges for him to take an aptitude test (Section: Floors, sweeping and cleaning). After the test, the manager says, "You will be employed at minimum wage, $5.15 an hour. Let me have your e-mail address, so that I can send you a form to complete and tell you where to report for work on your first day. Taken aback, the man protests that he has neither a computer nor an e-mail address. To this the MS manager replies, "Well, then, that means that you virtually don't exist and can therefore hardly expect to be employed. Stunned, the man leaves. Not knowing where to turn and having only $10 in his wallet, he decides to buy a 25 LB flat of tomatoes at the supermarket. Within less than 2 hours, he sells all the tomatoes individually at 100% profit. Repeating the process several times more that day, he ends up with almost $100 before going to sleep that night. And thus it dawns on him that he could quite easily make a living selling tomatoes. Getting up early every day and going to bed late, he multiplies his profits quickly. After a short time he acquires a cart to transport several dozen boxes of tomatoes, only to have to trade it in again so that he can buy a pickup truck to support his expanding business. By the end of the second year, he is the owner of a fleet of pickup trucks and manages a staff of a hundred former unemployed people, all selling tomatoes. Planning for the future of his wife and children, he decides to buy some life insurance. Consulting with an insurance adviser, he picks an insurance plan to fit his new circumstances. At the end of the telephone conversation, the adviser asks him for his e-mail address in order to send the final documents electronically. When the man replies that he has no e-mail, the adviser is stunned, "What, you don't have e-mail? How on earth have you managed to amass such wealth without the Internet, e-mail and e-commerce? Just imagine where you would be now, if you had been connected to the Internet from the very start!" After a moment of thought, the tomato millionaire replied, "Why, of course! I would be a floor cleaner at Microsoft!" Moral of this story 1.The Internet, e-mail and e-commerce do not need to rule your life. 2.If you don't have e-mail, but work hard, you can still become a millionaire. 3.Since you got this story via e-mail, you're probably closer to becoming a janitor than you are to becoming a millionaire. 4.If you do have a computer and e-mail, you have already been taken to the cleaners by Microsoft. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The First, The Largest, The Most Popular, and The Most Complete TSCM, Bug Sweep, Spy Hunting, and Counterintelligence Site on the Internet. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. AtkinsonPhone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island GroupFax: (978) 546-9467 127 Eastern Avenue #291http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008mailto:jmatk@t... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. - George Orwell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4685 From: Matthew Paulsen Date: Tue Jan 29, 2002 10:17am Subject: RE: Re: Bug Photos Wanted Paul you meant schematics / drawings, right? -----Original Message----- From: Steve Uhrig [mailto:steve@s...] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 5:40 AM To: TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com Subject: [TSCM-L] Re: Bug Photos Wanted Once upon a midnight dreary, Paolo Sfriso pondered, weak and weary: > I am developing a website www.microspia.org (microspia is the > Italian word for bug, literally micro-spy) where I would like to > place a photographic display of found bugs of any sort: from the > radio-shack viarity to the more esoteric kind. > I would be extremely gratefull if fellow listmembers could send > me a couple of JPEG photos of traced or experimental bugs with a > brief description. Hi Paul, Since mere possession of audio and certain other types of surveillance devices in the U.S. is a felony, you're obviously asking for these inputs from our members outside the U.S. No one in the US. would want to admit to committing a felony by acknowledging possession of sensitive devices. 18USC 2511 and 2512 (Title 18 is the Criminal Code in the U.S., and section 2511 and 2512 specifically discusses possession, advertising of, use by, etc. surveillance devices by other than government agencies or persons directly under contract to supply these devices to the government) is the applicable section of code. Practically anyone involved in TSCM or surveillance in the U.S. knows this section of code by heart, since we live and quite literally can rot in jail by it. Jim Atkinson, the owner and operator of this list, maintains a copy of this information on his website here: http://www.tscm.com/USC18_119.html Perhaps list members from countries where the law is not so restrictive can assist you. You also may be able, with permission, to copy certain photos from various websites showing pictures of these devices. Be aware, however, that I have never seen a photo on a website of a truly professional surveillance device. They all are low end, homemade type devices, or the mass produced garbage from the Pacific Rim. Any images shown on U.S. websites either are illegal or are of deactivated devices (usually mockups). Good luck with your site. Regards ... Steve ******************************************************************* Steve Uhrig, SWS Security, Maryland (USA) Mfrs of electronic surveillance equip mailto:Steve@s... website http://www.swssec.com tel +1+410-879-4035, fax +1+410-836-1190 "In God we trust, all others we monitor" ******************************************************************* ======================================================== TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. =================================================== TSKS Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 4686 From: Shawn Hughes Date: Tue Jan 29, 2002 10:33am Subject: Re: Digest Number 843 At 04:06 AM 1/29/02 , you wrote: >......three to five Chinese men in plain clothes would board it, taking a >briefcase-sized black box with them. They finished 20 to 30 minutes later. Ok, I might just be an idiot cop, but if this intel is correct, they basically swept an entire aircraft with a scanlock or OSCOR (or worse). Doing bomb training, I've gotten to pop panels off of commercial aircraft. You literally could hide gear the size of a Volkswagen in there and not find it for a day. I mean, theres literally MILES of wiring and piping. You can't disassemble that stuff to even peek into junction boxes(so says the FAA) unless you are certified. We were told we (EOD) could in an emergency, but that the planes airworthiness cert would be invalidated. So, say one of you guys were the team leader on that project. How would you keep a high probability of sureness that the aircraft wasn't compromised? Shawn 4687 From: Shawn Hughes Date: Tue Jan 29, 2002 10:39am Subject: And you thought the static hazard was bad! >======================================= >Chips Pack Charge - Explosive Possibilities for Silicon > > >Among the most promising applications of the reaction, researcher Sailor >said, is propulsion of dust-sized >robots and devices built on chips. > > >Thanks to a classic case of accidental discovery, researchers at the >University of California, San Diego >(UCSD) have found that silicon -- the material used to make computer chips >-- has explosive properties >when combined with the right elements and ignited by an electrical charge. > > >This finding is the root of a running joke among researchers: "This is going >to make your cell phone blow >up," head researcher Michael Sailor told NewsFactor. > > >Sailor, a UCSD professor of chemistry and biochemistry in the school's >material science program, said real >applications of the ability to blow up a chip include destruction of >military weapons that fall into enemy >hands and elimination of sensitive data and access to it by programming >chips to self-destruct. > > >However, Sailor said "more relevant" applications include the propulsion of >tiny chips, such as micro- >electrical mechanical systems (MEMS), using miniature silicon explosives and >the ability to carry a small >flame test for sensing chemicals, which now requires a laboratory. > > >High-Tech Gunpowder > > >The researchers at the Sailor Group, who provided technical details of >futuristic applications in the January >issue of German scientific journal "Advanced Materials," discovered >accidentally about a year ago that >silicon had explosive properties similar to those of gunpowder -- a mix of >carbon, potassium nitrate and >sulfur, Sailor said. > > >When researcher Frederic Mikulec tried to cleave a silicon wafer with a >diamond scribe, it blew up in his >face, as the story goes. > > >"It was a little pop. It was just a small explosion, like a cap going off in >a cap gun," Sailor said. "We >worked with this stuff for 10 years, and it never blew up." > > >Sailor said the discovery does not mean that computer chips used today could >blow up. He added that the >reaction only works with super-fine silicon that is machined down to very >small particles through an >electrochemical process. > > >Fueling UAVs > > >The researchers found that combining a very fine form of silicon called >"nanocrystals" with gadolinium >nitrate produced the small, gunpowder-like explosion. > > >Among the most promising applications of the reaction, according to Sailor, >is propulsion of dust-sized >robots and devices built on chips. > > >"We can cause chips to fly around the room and make grasshoppers out of >them," he said, referring to such >uses as sniffing out nuclear weapons or locating and checking shipments. > > >Sailor said silicon explosions also could be used to fuel "micro unmanned >aerial vehicles," which are robots >the size of mosquitoes. > > >Hot Handheld > > >Another prime application of the explosive silicon process is a portable >device that could perform rapid >chemical analysis of toxic metals and other elements in the field. Such a >device would be ideal for >investigation of industrial accidents, according to researchers. > > >Sailor said the silicon- and gadolinium-based explosive burns extremely hot >and is devoid of chemical >impurities, making it ideal for a portable flame test, which is similar to a >litmus test. > > >"It's a hot, portable flame that can be placed on a chip," Sailor said. > > >Self-Destruct Silicon > > >Still, the most intriguing aspect of the research is the ability to blow up >the same material that powers >computers and other devices using a small electrical charge. > > >"Now, you can program a chip to self-destruct," Sailor said. "There's no >firing pin, just a little current that >runs through the part of the chip that has the explosive in it." > > >Sailor, who said researchers tested the electronic ignition with a 9-volt >battery, told NewsFactor that he is >amazed by the interest from people and businesses, including cell phone >makers and companies involved in >data security. However, the UCSD professor said he doubts that the >researchers' joke ever will become a >reality. > > >"I just don't see people putting it in cell phones to make them blow up," he >said. 4688 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Tue Jan 29, 2002 0:03pm Subject: Re: Digest Number 843 At 11:33 AM -0500 1/29/02, Shawn Hughes wrote: >At 04:06 AM 1/29/02 , you wrote: > > >>......three to five Chinese men in plain clothes would board it, taking a >>briefcase-sized black box with them. They finished 20 to 30 minutes later. > > >Ok, I might just be an idiot cop, but if this intel is correct, they >basically swept an entire aircraft with a scanlock or OSCOR (or worse). > >Doing bomb training, I've gotten to pop panels off of commercial aircraft. >You literally could hide gear the size of a Volkswagen in there and not >find it for a day. > >I mean, theres literally MILES of wiring and piping. You can't disassemble >that stuff to even peek into junction boxes(so says the FAA) unless you are >certified. We were told we (EOD) could in an emergency, but that the planes >airworthiness cert would be invalidated. > > >So, say one of you guys were the team leader on that project. How would you >keep a high probability of sureness that the aircraft wasn't compromised? > >Shawn Create a sterile isolation zone 1000 feet around the hangar in all directions, and zone it off with TWO 12 foot high fences topped with razor wire. Between the two fences have a "no man zone" with multiple layers of razor wire. All of the above will of course be alarmed, resulting in an immediate response of armed security personnel. You will need a "central control" person, and four teams of two people, which means you have at least five people on duty 7/24. There will be an area outside the isolation fence of at least 1000-1500 additional feet where all foliage has been cut back, and all buildings are under the control of the security detail (or can be 100% vouched for). the goal is to totally control who has access the the area just outside the isolation zone The area between the isolation fence and the hangar where the plane is kept will be extremely well lit 7/24, and ancillary lighting will be used to illuminate the area outside the fence as required by the CCTV system being used. A primary CCTV system will provide 100% coverage of all areas outside the isolation fence out to 1000 feet. The cameras will be INSIDE the fence, and controllable (and powered) the primary security station inside the fence. This is basically to documents anybody approaching the isolation fence from the outside world. Next we install a ring of camera above the isolation area that peer down into the "no-mans land" but also including the area about 10-15 on each side of the fence (these go to the poles which provide lighting the area outside of the isolation zone. Inside the isolation zone we install a series of thousands of overt and covert, live and dummy EB-141 with a magnum charges to mechanically raise an alarm if any of the electrician systems are compromised or someone covertly penetrates the fence line. This "alarm field" should begin about 15-20 foot inside the isolation zone and be about 300 foot wide. However, the width of the alarm ring should not exceed one third the range of the security responses weapons range with scoped carbines (ie: M-16, MP-5, etc). Note that there is a "travel ring" on both sides of the isolation fence for maintenance and response purposes. Inside the "alarm ring" there will a single wall or embankment to keep personal or equipment from straying into the alarm zone, but also to provide moderate cover in the event of an forcible engagement (Jersey barriers work well). This should provide a 500-700 foot sterile zone around the hanger, with a minimum of 5 people on duty at any given time just to protect the outer perimeter. The sterile zone then has an entirely separate security detail which are on duty only when there is some kind of activity in, on, or around the hangar. This security force greets people arriving, clears them, and escorts them though the sally ports and into the sterile zone (two escorts per person, or piece of equipment). A third group of security personnel will be responsible for pre-clearing all visitors (at least 2000 feet away from the hanger), and will escort the "initially cleared" people to a secondary area where they will be separated from all personal effects, tools, clothes electronics, etc and given a thin cotton bunny suit to change in to change into (for modesty). Visitor will then be scanned for metal, RF, or any chemical residue, and if necessary searched by hand (and allowed to shower). Only those personal effects absolutely required inside the sterile zone will be returned (ie: clothes, shoes, etc). Ideally the security force should provide a brightly covered uniform, with each color changing on a random basis. Inside the hangar there will be the "hangar security detail" (yes a fourth group) who solely are responsible for protecting the area starting at the hangar doors/walls and moving inward to the actual skin of the aircraft, but not the aircraft itself. They ensure that nothing and no one comes into the hangar unless it is absolutely required, carefully inspected, and its movements carefully documented. The aircraft itself must have it own protective detail (yep, a fifth group of people), and every person working on the airplane will have two observers (security people) with them at all times who will maintain positive eye contact on the persons hands at all times (basically one security guy watches the hands, and the other supervises and acts as relief). This makes for five levels of hard security, and at least three inspections of everything that can get within 1000 feet of the hangar. Every inch of the protected area is heavily covered with video cameras, and the plane itself contains overt and covert video (installed by and controlled by the security detail). Each security detail (all five+ of them) has its own command center, it's own shift leader, and procedures which overlap. Basically, the outer perimeter folks, protect the inner folks, which protect the hangar folks, and so on. Ensure the security force is well paid, well disciplined, well lead, and well equipped, and you will have no problems. On a related note; quarter the security force in dorms just outside the facility (but within 2000 feet, and do not allow then to leave the compound for short times except with two minders/escorts per person. -jma -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The First, The Largest, The Most Popular, and The Most Complete TSCM, Bug Sweep, Spy Hunting, and Counterintelligence Site on the Internet. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. AtkinsonPhone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island GroupFax: (978) 546-9467 127 Eastern Avenue #291http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008mailto:jmatk@t... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. - George Orwell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4689 From: Fernando Martins Date: Tue Jan 29, 2002 8:37am Subject: RE: Bug Photos Wanted Hi2all Paolo, you just have to go to www.google.com and in the 'images' area play a little with words, like spy or bug. Here are some examples: http://images.google.com/images?q=micro-spy http://images.google.com/images?q=bug http://images.google.com/images?hl=pt&q=micro-bug http://images.google.com/images?hl=pt&q=spybug Be aware of copywrite rights and other legal stuff related to this pictures. I'm not sending any descriptions as you asked, but you can search for them on the related sites. I didn't make those bugs nor have any of them. Sometimes in some electronics magazines there may be some pictures ... I'm only remembering Elektor (uk) or Electronique Pratique (fr), that I used to buy some years ago. Simple homemade stuff like a microphone inside a pen. And since this is my first mail to the list, I want to congratulate people for some very interesting mails I already read here, and say that I work as security consultant (phisycal, electronic and IT), and my interest here is to learn solutions for protection against intrusion of facilities and personal privacy. I'm more from the IT area, I'm upgrading my knowledge about electronics and specially protection tools and techniques, to what I'm a newbie. In the Army I had some experience with telephony (old analogic PBX stuff) and radio (Racal, PRC/425, AVP-1, stuff like that) but that was long time ago. Any other magazine like Signal from AFCEA (www.afcea.org/signal) that somebody here can advice? I had access to this one (on paper version) because I worked in a member company, but now i'm not there anymore and just can follow the web version. Any other tips, URL's for reference and lecture are wellcome. Regards FM » -----Original Message----- » From: Paolo Sfriso [mailto:paulsfriso@t...] » Sent: terça-feira, 29 de Janeiro de 2002 9:19 » To: TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com » Subject: [TSCM-L] Bug Photos Wanted » » » » Dear Colleagues. » » I am developing a website www.microspia.org (microspia is the » Italian word for bug, literally micro-spy) where I would like » to place a photographic display of found bugs of any sort: » from the radio-shack viarity to the more esoteric kind. » » I would be extremely gratefull if fellow listmembers could » send me a couple of JPEG photos of traced or experimental » bugs with a brief description. » » The site will be in Italian and proper credit will be given » to all contributors. » » Thanks. » » Paul Sfriso » Director » GRUPPO S.I.T. » Security, Investigations & Technology » Quarto d'Altino, Venice » ITALY » » phone +39 0422 828517 » fax +39 0422 823224 » 24hr GSM cellphone +39 335 5257308 » www.grupposit.com » paulsfriso@t... » » » » » » ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to » http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ » » » 4690 From: kirk Date: Tue Jan 29, 2002 11:52am Subject: Re: Bug Photos Wanted I understood Pauls request for photos of found bugs, meaning just that, when you "find a bug on sweep" you usually photograph it in place for documentation purposes. Nothing he mentioned was related to personal possesion of illegal devices or schematics. Or maybe I'm just missing something here? Good luck Paul, I'll see what I can dig up for you. Kirk ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Paolo Sfriso" Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:18:56 +0100 > >Dear Colleagues. > >I am developing a website www.microspia.org (microspia is the Italian word >for bug, literally micro-spy) where I would like to place a photographic >display of found bugs of any sort: from the radio-shack viarity to the more >esoteric kind. > >I would be extremely gratefull if fellow listmembers could send me a couple >of JPEG photos of traced or experimental bugs with a brief description. > >The site will be in Italian and proper credit will be given to all >contributors. > >Thanks. > >Paul Sfriso >Director >GRUPPO S.I.T. >Security, Investigations & Technology >Quarto d'Altino, Venice >ITALY > >phone +39 0422 828517 >fax +39 0422 823224 >24hr GSM cellphone +39 335 5257308 >www.grupposit.com >paulsfriso@t... > > > > > > >======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: >http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. >=================================================== TSKS > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- Kirk Adirim President TACTRONIX Tactical Electronics for Critical Missions 8497 Sunset Boulevard #28 West Hollywood, CA 90069 USA E: kirk@t... T: 323-650-2880 F: 310-388-5886 W: www.tactronix.com -- 4691 From: Aimee Farr Date: Tue Jan 29, 2002 7:16pm Subject: RE: Re: Bug Photos Wanted > No one in the US. would want to admit to committing a felony by > acknowledging possession of sensitive devices. 18USC 2511 and > 2512 (Title 18 is the Criminal Code in the U.S., and section > 2511 and 2512 specifically discusses possession, advertising of, > use by, etc. surveillance devices by other than government > agencies or persons directly under contract to supply these > devices to the government) is the applicable section of code. > Practically anyone involved in TSCM or surveillance in the U.S. > knows this section of code by heart, since we live and quite > literally can rot in jail by it. I have a good deal of the congressional record(s). I don't think congress contemplated your services, or this environment. As proposed, Title III was seen as a law enforcement issue. I know some here testified at the '75 hearings, but I think this issue needs to be revisited. Putting security professionals at cross-purposes or conflicts with both their clients and law enforcement/agencies is not in our best interests. I would think an exception could be structured so as to be in the best interests of all stakeholders... What is the problem? ~Aimee 4692 From: Steve Uhrig Date: Tue Jan 29, 2002 7:50pm Subject: Re: Bug Photos Wanted Once upon a midnight dreary, Aimee Farr pondered, weak and weary: > As proposed, Title III was seen as a law enforcement issue. I > know some here testified at the '75 hearings, but I think this > issue needs to be revisited. Putting security professionals at > cross-purposes or conflicts with both their clients and law > enforcement/agencies is not in our best interests. > I would think an exception could be structured so as to be in > the best interests of all stakeholders... What is the problem? The problem is 18USC 2511 and 2512 specifically prohibit possession, use, advertising of, etc, of electronic surveillance equipment except by government agencies or those under contract with a government agency to supply such equipment. And people are violating those laws. That is the problem. Unless you propose to change them by jury nullification, you know the proper way for the proper branch of government to change them. They're not going to be changed at the judicial level, and that is the point where most violators will bump into the law. The stuff has no place in the hands of lids, kids or space cadets, many of whom already think the law does not apply to them as evidenced by the numerous spy shops advertising illegal products. The spy shops ARE NOT under contract to supply the stuff to law enforcement merely by including some useless disclaimer on their website. 'Under contract' means having a purchase order in house already to supply the devices, before they even are obtained. That virtually never is the case with the spy shops, although they all claim to 'sell to police'. Steve ******************************************************************* Steve Uhrig, SWS Security, Maryland (USA) Mfrs of electronic surveillance equip mailto:Steve@s... website http://www.swssec.com tel +1+410-879-4035, fax +1+410-836-1190 "In God we trust, all others we monitor" ******************************************************************* 4693 From: Matthew Paulsen Date: Tue Jan 29, 2002 8:01pm Subject: RE: Bug Photos Wanted Just try lookup at www.ditto.com FYI to all I've gotten 2 viruses on this list since I started getting messages here. If you don't have an antivirus scanner, get one. Here's one off my site that is free from Computer Associates, Inc. http://mpconsulting.home.attbi.com/prods/IPESetup.exe Hopefully I don't have a download restriction. We'll see. Matt -----Original Message----- From: Fernando Martins [mailto:fernando.martins@e...] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 6:37 AM To: TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [TSCM-L] Bug Photos Wanted Hi2all Paolo, you just have to go to www.google.com and in the 'images' area play a little with words, like spy or bug. Here are some examples: http://images.google.com/images?q=micro-spy http://images.google.com/images?q=bug http://images.google.com/images?hl=pt&q=micro-bug http://images.google.com/images?hl=pt&q=spybug Be aware of copywrite rights and other legal stuff related to this pictures. I'm not sending any descriptions as you asked, but you can search for them on the related sites. I didn't make those bugs nor have any of them. Sometimes in some electronics magazines there may be some pictures ... I'm only remembering Elektor (uk) or Electronique Pratique (fr), that I used to buy some years ago. Simple homemade stuff like a microphone inside a pen. And since this is my first mail to the list, I want to congratulate people for some very interesting mails I already read here, and say that I work as security consultant (phisycal, electronic and IT), and my interest here is to learn solutions for protection against intrusion of facilities and personal privacy. I'm more from the IT area, I'm upgrading my knowledge about electronics and specially protection tools and techniques, to what I'm a newbie. In the Army I had some experience with telephony (old analogic PBX stuff) and radio (Racal, PRC/425, AVP-1, stuff like that) but that was long time ago. Any other magazine like Signal from AFCEA (www.afcea.org/signal) that somebody here can advice? I had access to this one (on paper version) because I worked in a member company, but now i'm not there anymore and just can follow the web version. Any other tips, URL's for reference and lecture are wellcome. Regards FM » -----Original Message----- » From: Paolo Sfriso [mailto:paulsfriso@t...] » Sent: terça-feira, 29 de Janeiro de 2002 9:19 » To: TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com » Subject: [TSCM-L] Bug Photos Wanted » » » » Dear Colleagues. » » I am developing a website www.microspia.org (microspia is the » Italian word for bug, literally micro-spy) where I would like » to place a photographic display of found bugs of any sort: » from the radio-shack viarity to the more esoteric kind. » » I would be extremely gratefull if fellow listmembers could » send me a couple of JPEG photos of traced or experimental » bugs with a brief description. » » The site will be in Italian and proper credit will be given » to all contributors. » » Thanks. » » Paul Sfriso » Director » GRUPPO S.I.T. » Security, Investigations & Technology » Quarto d'Altino, Venice » ITALY » » phone +39 0422 828517 » fax +39 0422 823224 » 24hr GSM cellphone +39 335 5257308 » www.grupposit.com » paulsfriso@t... » » » » » » ------------------------ Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 4694 From: Aimee Farr Date: Tue Jan 29, 2002 8:07pm Subject: RE: Re: Bug Photos Wanted Mr. Uhrig said: > The problem is 18USC 2511 and 2512 specifically prohibit > possession, use, advertising of, etc, of electronic surveillance > equipment except by government agencies or those under contract > with a government agency to supply such equipment. > > And people are violating those laws. > > That is the problem. Doh! *laughter* I mean, is there not an exception which could be carved to better service the interests of all stakeholders? Is there not a sphere of legitimate research, investigation, etc. that needs to be enabled? > Unless you propose to change them by jury nullification, you > know the proper way for the proper branch of government to > change them. They're not going to be changed at the judicial > level, and that is the point where most violators will bump into > the law. I get that. > The stuff has no place in the hands of lids, kids or space > cadets, many of whom already think the law does not apply to > them Well, officially, "space cadets" might lie outside of our jurisdiction. > as evidenced by the numerous spy shops advertising illegal > products. The spy shops ARE NOT under contract to supply the > stuff to law enforcement merely by including some useless > disclaimer on their website. 'Under contract' means having a > purchase order in house already to supply the devices, before > they even are obtained. That virtually never is the case with > the spy shops, although they all claim to 'sell to police'. I know, Steve. (I realize you are trying to be educational for everybody, I'm not dissin' ya.) I'm not proposing a blanket loophole, but this seems stifling for everybody. I'm just asking where there are conflicts, if creative means couldn't reconcile them. The protective interest in Title III for the private sector was privacy, but truly it was a law enforcement enabler -- private sector interests have not been wholly addressed. Inhibiting your services does not service that interest. I also wonder if -- given the way things work -- we could encourage better information sharing and enable enforcement through legislative changes. I'm just trying to ponder on some possible answers. I won't do it again. ;) ~Aimee 4695 From: Aimee Farr Date: Tue Jan 29, 2002 10:03pm Subject: Surveillactivism [Due to my research interests, I stumbled across this "list" on Amazon.com. This guy might have placed equal emphasis on "gear," if Amazon had more offerings. I thought this was insightful in terms of how surveillance has mainstreamed into the activist toolkit. ~Aimee] Johnny Crow's Listmania Lists create your own list Books and Products for the Revolutionary & Activist at heart by Johnny Crow, Individualist & Revolutionary A People's History of the United States : 1492 to Present by Howard Zinn List Price: $18.00 Our Price: $12.60 You Save: $5.40 (30%) Usually ships in 24 hours Johnny Crow's comments: One of the Best and most Informative books on American History. Must Read ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- The Activist's Handbook: A Primer Updated Edition with a New Preface by Randy Shaw List Price: $18.95 Our Price: $13.26 You Save: $5.69 (30%) Usually ships in 24 hours Johnny Crow's comments: Insightful book, a must read for all who wish to do more! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Organizing for Social Change : Midwest Academy : Manual for Activists by Kim Bobo, et al List Price: $23.95 Our Price: $16.76 You Save: $7.19 (30%) Usually ships in 2 to 3 days Johnny Crow's comments: Want to organize a socail change, or become involved in activism, this is for you. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Minolta Maxxum STsi QD Panorama 35mm SLR Camera with 35-80mm,70-210mm Silver Zoom Lens List Price: $499.99 Our Price: $399.99 Usually ships in 24 hours Johnny Crow's comments: Always Needed to Capture those moments for history, and lend credit to your storys. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Night Owl Camera Adapter Our Price: $39.99 Limited Availability Johnny Crow's comments: Use this to take night time photos, for all those "special" missions in the name of activism ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Manufacturing Consent : The Political Economy of the Mass Media by Edward S. Herman, Noam Chomsky List Price: $18.95 Our Price: $18.95 Usually ships in 24 hours Johnny Crow's comments: Must Read. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Guerrilla Warfare : Che Guevara by Ernesto Guevara, Marc Becker (Introduction) List Price: $8.89 Our Price: $8.89 Usually ships in 24 hours Johnny Crow's comments: Absolute must read for those who wish to understand the truth about Revoltions, and Guerilla Activism 4696 From: enemyatthegate007 Date: Tue Jan 29, 2002 8:53pm Subject: history channel i know i im very very unknowledgable in this field and im trying to learn but im watching the history channel and it about james bond gadgets.there is a spy shop on there showing his toys,hes from beverly hills.i do know there is a lot of spy scans out there.i wonder if he is bogus.they didnt say his shops name.hum i wonder. james jones EPS,CPP chief of operations www.bodyguardinc.com 4697 From: Steve Uhrig Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 9:06am Subject: Re: Surveillactivism Once upon a midnight dreary, Aimee Farr pondered, weak and weary: > Night Owl Camera Adapter > Our Price: $39.99 > Limited Availability > Johnny Crow's comments: Use this to take night time photos, > for all those "special" missions in the name of activism This would sell more if listed together with 'The Secret Life of Walter Mitty' by James Thurber. Steve ******************************************************************* Steve Uhrig, SWS Security, Maryland (USA) Mfrs of electronic surveillance equip mailto:Steve@s... website http://www.swssec.com tel +1+410-879-4035, fax +1+410-836-1190 "In God we trust, all others we monitor" ******************************************************************* 4698 From: DrPepper Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 10:25am Subject: Re: Re: Bug Photos Wanted Interestingly enough, I watched the TV program "Boys Toys" on DishTV channel 120 last night, and they had a piece on Spy gear. The guy showed a "bug", and some other stuff. It was an outfit in Hollywood, somewhere, and they also provide this stuff to the movie industry as well as selling it across the counter. Ron C. ==================================== Aimee Farr wrote: > Mr. Uhrig said: > > > The problem is 18USC 2511 and 2512 specifically prohibit > > possession, use, advertising of, etc, of electronic surveillance > > equipment except by government agencies or those under contract > > with a government agency to supply such equipment. > > > > And people are violating those laws. > > > > That is the problem. > > Doh! *laughter* > > I mean, is there not an exception which could be carved to better service > the interests of all stakeholders? Is there not a sphere of legitimate > research, investigation, etc. that needs to be enabled? > > > Unless you propose to change them by jury nullification, you > > know the proper way for the proper branch of government to > > change them. They're not going to be changed at the judicial > > level, and that is the point where most violators will bump into > > the law. > > I get that. > > > The stuff has no place in the hands of lids, kids or space > > cadets, many of whom already think the law does not apply to > > them > > Well, officially, "space cadets" might lie outside of our jurisdiction. > > > as evidenced by the numerous spy shops advertising illegal > > products. The spy shops ARE NOT under contract to supply the > > stuff to law enforcement merely by including some useless > > disclaimer on their website. 'Under contract' means having a > > purchase order in house already to supply the devices, before > > they even are obtained. That virtually never is the case with > > the spy shops, although they all claim to 'sell to police'. > > I know, Steve. (I realize you are trying to be educational for everybody, > I'm not dissin' ya.) I'm not proposing a blanket loophole, but this seems > stifling for everybody. I'm just asking where there are conflicts, if > creative means couldn't reconcile them. > > The protective interest in Title III for the private sector was privacy, but > truly it was a law enforcement enabler -- private sector interests have not > been wholly addressed. Inhibiting your services does not service that > interest. I also wonder if -- given the way things work -- we could > encourage better information sharing and enable enforcement through > legislative changes. I'm just trying to ponder on some possible answers. > > I won't do it again. ;) > > ~Aimee > > > ======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > =================================================== TSKS > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Dr Pepper aka WB6GKI in the High Desert of California. Check out my LIVE Hamshack Cam at: http://www1.iwvisp.com/DrPepper/ham/ham.htm 4699 From: Aimee Farr Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 1:13pm Subject: RE: Re: Surveillactivism > Once upon a midnight dreary, Aimee Farr pondered, weak and weary: > > > Night Owl Camera Adapter > > Our Price: $39.99 > > > Limited Availability > > > Johnny Crow's comments: Use this to take night time photos, > > for all those "special" missions in the name of activism > > This would sell more if listed together with 'The Secret Life of > Walter Mitty' by James Thurber. > > Steve [referencing list on Amazon by one "Johnny Crow."] True, activists aren't sophisticated, but they are advanced in other ways (human assets, resolve, ideological ploys, walk-ins by animus, etc.). They are "noisy and networked." Political/reputational information is often given the least protection, even though it can cause the most damage. I have a "spy antagonist," I call you guys. Activist antagonists... o oppositional research/profiling o conflict management/intervention o image management o investigation o on-site security o web scouring service o bridge consultants (people who know that group and can frame the conflict) o crisis/strategic communications o legal/PR/security/management/mid- and low-tier employees.... o and so on. You attack him, you attack THEM -- triggering the activist pack mentality and escalating the conflict. A "Saul Alinsky" in 2002 is so empowered by communication and networks he can just about cut any corporate throat he wants to. You either intervene/resolve, or neutralize/deflect -- or you are looking at the cost of a political campaign relative to the stake of the company. These guys don't just use reputational attacks, they use indirect warfare and guerrilla strategies. They purposely do things to cause you to spend money on useless defensive measures. Often, there is no negotiating position -- they just hate what the company does, is, or represents. ("Extremists" are non-negotiable.) With activists, you can't judge the army by the antagonist -- or even the army -- their strength is often in their alliances. Lots of lawyers run to file on this guy or use aggressive tactics, then find out, in effect, they just PO'd 50,000 people with convergent interests. ...Whoop$. 60 Minutes won't give a damn about the tradecraft. But, yes, he looks harmless from your professional perspective, and I wouldn't be surprised if your psych was 100% on. ~Aimee 4700 From: Paolo Sfriso Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 8:01am Subject: Re: Re: Bug Photos Wanted Hi Steve. Sorry, I didnt realise that in the U.S. mere possession of a bug is considered a criminal offence. Over here they can be legally sold and/or possessed but not used (6 months to 4 years or 1 to 5 hears of committed by a PI or a public servant without a warrant). The legal approach over here is the same one would have to a kitchen knife: it can be nothing more than a utensil or an extremely dangerous instrument. All depends on its use. Kind Regards. Paul Sfriso Director GRUPPO S.I.T. Security, Investigations & Technology Quarto d'Altino, Venice ITALY phone +39 0422 828517 fax +39 0422 823224 24hr GSM cellphone +39 335 5257308 www.grupposit.com paulsfriso@t... Hi Paul, Since mere possession of audio and certain other types of surveillance devices in the U.S. is a felony, you're obviously asking for these inputs from our members outside the U.S. No one in the US. would want to admit to committing a felony by acknowledging possession of sensitive devices. 18USC 2511 and 2512 (Title 18 is the Criminal Code in the U.S., and section 2511 and 2512 specifically discusses possession, advertising of, use by, etc. surveillance devices by other than government agencies or persons directly under contract to supply these devices to the government) is the applicable section of code. Practically anyone involved in TSCM or surveillance in the U.S. knows this section of code by heart, since we live and quite literally can rot in jail by it. Jim Atkinson, the owner and operator of this list, maintains a copy of this information on his website here: 4701 From: Johnston, Richard Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 2:24pm Subject: RE: Re: Bug Photos Wanted Now that is a job I would like -- Designing "bugs" for the movie industry! They don't have to work (We'll dub in the sound later.) they just have to look cool. -----Original Message----- From: DrPepper [mailto:DrPepper@i...] Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 9:25 AM To: aimee.farr@p... Cc: TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [TSCM-L] Re: Bug Photos Wanted Interestingly enough, I watched the TV program "Boys Toys" on DishTV channel 120 last night, and they had a piece on Spy gear. The guy showed a "bug", and some other stuff. It was an outfit in Hollywood, somewhere, and they also provide this stuff to the movie industry as well as selling it across the counter. Ron C. ==================================== Aimee Farr wrote: > Mr. Uhrig said: > > > The problem is 18USC 2511 and 2512 specifically prohibit > > possession, use, advertising of, etc, of electronic surveillance > > equipment except by government agencies or those under contract > > with a government agency to supply such equipment. > > > > And people are violating those laws. > > > > That is the problem. > > Doh! *laughter* > > I mean, is there not an exception which could be carved to better service > the interests of all stakeholders? Is there not a sphere of legitimate > research, investigation, etc. that needs to be enabled? > > > Unless you propose to change them by jury nullification, you > > know the proper way for the proper branch of government to > > change them. They're not going to be changed at the judicial > > level, and that is the point where most violators will bump into > > the law. > > I get that. > > > The stuff has no place in the hands of lids, kids or space > > cadets, many of whom already think the law does not apply to > > them > > Well, officially, "space cadets" might lie outside of our jurisdiction. > > > as evidenced by the numerous spy shops advertising illegal > > products. The spy shops ARE NOT under contract to supply the > > stuff to law enforcement merely by including some useless > > disclaimer on their website. 'Under contract' means having a > > purchase order in house already to supply the devices, before > > they even are obtained. That virtually never is the case with > > the spy shops, although they all claim to 'sell to police'. > > I know, Steve. (I realize you are trying to be educational for everybody, > I'm not dissin' ya.) I'm not proposing a blanket loophole, but this seems > stifling for everybody. I'm just asking where there are conflicts, if > creative means couldn't reconcile them. > > The protective interest in Title III for the private sector was privacy, but > truly it was a law enforcement enabler -- private sector interests have not > been wholly addressed. Inhibiting your services does not service that > interest. I also wonder if -- given the way things work -- we could > encourage better information sharing and enable enforcement through > legislative changes. I'm just trying to ponder on some possible answers. > > I won't do it again. ;) > > ~Aimee > > > ======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > =================================================== TSKS > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Dr Pepper aka WB6GKI in the High Desert of California. Check out my LIVE Hamshack Cam at: http://www1.iwvisp.com/DrPepper/ham/ham.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ======================================================== TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. =================================================== TSKS Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 4702 From: tek492p Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 8:51pm Subject: Re: history channel James -- The "Spy Shop" in Beverly Hills showing the James Bond type gadgets is CCS. To learn more about CCS, and "Spy Shops" in general, read the following two messages posted by Steve Uhrig..... Message #3888, Re: vendor needed, Fri, 10/12/2001 Message #4502, Re: Attacking CCS? Yes, exactly that, Thu, 1/10/2002 Jack 4703 From: tek492p Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 8:45pm Subject: Re: history channel James -- The "Spy Shop" in Beverly Hills showing the James Bond type gadgets is CCS. To learn more about CCS, and "Spy Shops" in general, read the following two messages posted by Steve Uhrig..... Message #3888, Re: vendor needed, Fri, 10/12/2001 Message #4502, Re: Attacking CCS? Yes, exactly that, Thu, 1/10/2002 Jack 4704 From: tek492p Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 9:05pm Subject: Re: TEL "RING" QUESTION Bill -- In reference to the telephone ring with the Caller ID blocked and the *68 (do you mean *69?), does the telephone line local number have an incoming 800 number? 1. You cannot *69 (call back) an incoming 800 number. 2. If the call is from a business with multiple out-going lines, and the caller is calling from an inside extension, most Caller ID's will show a Name: Unknown & Number: Unknown. Jack 4705 From: Charles P Date: Wed Jan 30, 2002 9:42pm Subject: Re: TEL "RING" QUESTION Questions: Does this mean about 12 times per day? When you say cid was "blocked" does it say "blocked" or "private" or does it just not have any display, or say "out of area" Elaborate on the faxes forwarding to the fax line, are you forwarding them manually? There are so many machines dialing numbers these days, that seems most likely. But you said it's been going on for years... any strong electrical signals in the area? Is there a home phone system or just standard Pots lines? I found a pbx that interpreted electrical interference as dial pulses. The person at extension 111 was going crazy with "hangup" calls. charles >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> During any given 24 hr period...the following occurs: --incoming phone call--caller ID always blocked--phone answered--NOT a sound. This occurs approx 12 plus times w/the majority of "incoming" during the 0700-1700 hr period. Rarely 1700-0700. BUT, it does occur during those hours as well. --*68 nothing --phone co security can't(?) ID the prob..or answer the why? question --different issue--random faxes coming in on "home" line--(prob solicitation)--immediately fwd to fax line with no capture-receive. Initially, we thought that the telco was doing some routine line cks..but this has been going on for several YEARS! Any thoughts or fixes? 4706 From: sdonnell Date: Thu Jan 31, 2002 1:37am Subject: Re: Re: Bug Photos Wanted "Johnston, Richard" wrote: > Now that is a job I would like -- Designing "bugs" for the movie > industry! > They don't have to work (We'll dub in the sound later.) they just have > to > look cool. Hi, That wouldnt be too difficult; It could be something as simple as an infamous "black cube" or part of a circuit brd from something like a cordless phone. Just add a couple of "dongle" wires, if you really want to get fancy, spiral wind them or add gator clips. If you really want to be in contension for that tech-catagory Oscar, consider something w/ a real "radio" appearance like an old pager such as a Moto Spirit or Pageboy2, or even a Bravo receiver brd. I wonder if anyone has ever built something like this, and planted it as a type of "training aid", just to see how long it would take for anyone to notice/find it? Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 4707 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Thu Jan 31, 2002 9:11am Subject: Re: Re: Bug Photos Wanted Regarding training aids suitable for discovery during the physical search consider the following. 1) Take one or more sugar cubes, tie an jumper wire with alligator clips to it, wrap it in duct tape strips, and dip it in black liquid plastic. 2) Take a ball point pen, remove half the ink reserve tube, fill the open area with a combination of 5-6 small transistors, lead shot, and epoxy, and drill a small where a microphone would typically be located. 3) Open up a small pocket calculator, add 2-3 ounces of NLJ/lead shot/epoxy, drill two small holes (one for simulated control switch, one for microphone). 4) My favorite... is to go to a local gambling supply business and buy several thousand really thick weighted plastic poker chips and have your business name and phone number molded/printed on one side. Then on the other side have "covert eavesdropping devices are no larger then this, are you really secure?", drill a small hole in it (to simulate a microphone), epoxy two of them together, and duct tape them in place under desks and furniture during penetration tests. If your really feeling cute, you can epoxy a CR series lithium cell and several dozen SMT transistors as a wafer between the chips. -jma At 2:37 AM -0500 1/31/02, sdonnell wrote: >"Johnston, Richard" wrote: > >> Now that is a job I would like -- Designing "bugs" for the movie >> industry! >> They don't have to work (We'll dub in the sound later.) they just have >> to >> look cool. > >Hi, That wouldnt be too difficult; It could be something as simple as an >infamous "black cube" or part of a circuit brd from something like a >cordless phone. Just add a couple of "dongle" wires, if you really want >to get fancy, spiral wind them or add gator clips. If you really want to >be in contension for that tech-catagory Oscar, consider something w/ a >real "radio" appearance like an old pager such as a Moto Spirit or >Pageboy2, or even a Bravo receiver brd. > >I wonder if anyone has ever built something like this, and planted it as >a type of "training aid", just to see how long it would take for anyone >to notice/find it? > >Steve -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The First, The Largest, The Most Popular, and The Most Complete TSCM, Bug Sweep, Spy Hunting, and Counterintelligence Site on the Internet. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. AtkinsonPhone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island GroupFax: (978) 546-9467 127 Eastern Avenue #291http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008mailto:jmatk@t... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. - George Orwell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4708 From: Date: Thu Jan 31, 2002 5:58am Subject: Electronic Surveillance in Florida Nursing Homes FMDA Issues Statement Against Attorney General-AHCA Report on Electronic Surveillance in Florida Nursing Homes WEST PALM BEACH, Fla., Jan. 31 /PRNewswire/ -- The joint Attorney General- Agency for Health Care Administration report released last week, recommended that video surveillance cameras be allowed in the bedrooms and bathrooms of nursing home patients. FMDA's major concerns with this include: * Privacy/Dignity: The physician and nurse practitioner members of FMDA feel strongly that video surveillance cameras undermine the privacy and dignity of nursing home patients and their doctors, nurse practitioners, caregivers and visitors. The most personal type of care is often provided at a patient's bedside. Nurse practitioner members specifically view this as a breech of confidentiality as well as demeaning, demoralizing, and disruptive to the care of these frail, incapacitated human beings. * Staffing: The use of video surveillance cameras will have a negative impact on the facility's ability to recruit and retain staff at the very time when there is a real shortage of nurses and certified nursing assistants. The surveillance cameras will also disrupt the positive, trusting relationship between a patient and caregiver that may have the potential to interfere with their therapeutic relationship as well. Another major impact will be the downward spiral of staff moral. * Insurance: According to insurance liability carriers, video cameras will have a severely negative impact on a facility's ability to secure coverage. * Medical Directors: With medical directors already facing insurance liability coverage cancellation, non-renewal and huge premium increases, this recommendation comes at a time when we need to encourage more physician participation in long-term care. Video surveillance has the potential to create a serious shortage of physicians acting as medical directors or attending physicians. * Litigation: Approval of video surveillance in nursing homes will increase the potential for increased litigation which drives up costs. Resources that would otherwise go into patient care will have to be diverted to defend frivolous lawsuits. * Proper Use: There are many unanswered issues about resident privacy, the appropriate use of video tapes, video equipment maintenance, and the integrity of the tapes. * Interpretation: FMDA believes that the contents of tapes will be easily misinterpreted or misrepresented and used against staff, physicians and the nursing facility. * Family Involvement: Close family involvement in the day-to-day care of their loved one in the nursing home is one of the fundamental principles of good care for patients. Having video cameras may reduce family involvement and decrease patient-family interactions that are so essential to the welfare of both. "Video surveillance cameras will do nothing but harm the relationship between patient and caregiver and they should not be allowed in patient bedrooms. Add to that the fact that they will be the tool of eager trial attorneys and you have a prescription for disaster," said Morris Kutner, MD, CMD, immediate past-president, Florida Medical Directors Association. The Florida Medical Directors Association represents more than 350 medical directors, attending physicians, physician assistants, and advanced registered nurse practitioners in long-term care facilities in Florida. The mission of FMDA is to promote the highest quality care in nursing homes by providing leadership, professional education and advocacy. MAKE YOUR OPINION COUNT - Click Here http://tbutton.prnewswire.com/prn/11690X22202077 SOURCE Florida Medical Directors Association CO: Florida Medical Directors Association ST: Florida IN: HEA SU: 01/31/2002 09:47 EST http://www.prnewswire.com 4709 From: Jordan Ulery Date: Thu Jan 31, 2002 5:08pm Subject: Freedom of Information? EDITORIALS On the Public's Right to Know The day Ashcroft censored Freedom of Information Ruth Rosen, Editorial writer and columnist San Francisco Chronicle Sunday, January 6, 2002 THE PRESIDENT DIDN'T ask the networks for television time . The attorney general didn't hold a press conference. The media didn't report any dramatic change in governmental policy. As a result, most Americans had no idea that one of their most precious freedoms disappeared on Oct. 12. Yet it happened. In a memo that slipped beneath the political radar, U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft vigorously urged federal agencies to resist most Freedom of Information Act requests made by American citizens. Passed in 1974 in the wake of the Watergate scandal, the Freedom of Information Act has been hailed as one of our greatest democratic reforms. It allows ordinary citizens to hold the government accountable by requesting and scrutinizing public documents and records. Without it, journalists, newspapers, historians and watchdog groups would never be able to keep the government honest. It was our post-Watergate reward, the act that allows us to know what our elected officials do, rather than what they say. It is our national sunshine law, legislation that forces agencies to disclose their public records and documents. Yet without fanfare, the attorney general simply quashed theFOIA. The Department of Justice did not respond to numerous calls from The Chronicle to comment on the memo. So, rather than asking federal officials to pay special attention when the public's right to know might collide with the government's need to safeguard our security, Ashcroft instead asked them to consider whether "institutional, commercial and personal privacy interests could be implicated by disclosure of the information." Even more disturbing, he wrote: "When you carefully consider FOIA requests and decide to withhold records, in whole or in part, you can be assured that the Department of Justice will defend your decisions unless they lack a sound legal basis or present an unwarranted risk of adverse impact on the ability of other agencies to protect other important records." Somehow, this memo never surfaced. When coupled with President Bush's Nov. 1 executive order that allows him to seal all presidential records since 1980, the effect is positively chilling. In the aftermath of Sept. 11, we have witnessed a flurry of federal orders designed to beef up the nation's security. Many anti-terrorist measures have carefully balanced the public's right to know with the government's responsibility to protect its citizens. Who, for example, would argue against taking detailed plans of nuclear reactors, oil refineries or reservoirs off the Web? No one. Almost all Americans agree that the nation's security is our highest priority. Yet half the country is also worried that the government might use the fear of terrorism as a pretext for protecting officials from public scrutiny. Now we know that they have good reason to worry. For more than a quarter of a century, the Freedom of Information Act has ratified the public's right to know what the government, its agencies and its officials have done. It has substituted transparency for secrecy and we, as a democracy, have benefited from the truths that been extracted from public records. Consider, for example, just a few of the recent revelations -- obtained through FOIA requests -- that newspapers and nonprofit watchdog groups have been able to publicize during the last few months: -- The Washington-based Environmental Working Group, a nonprofit organization, has been able to publish lists of recipients who have received billions of dollars in federal farm subsidies. Their Web site, www.ewg.org < http://www.ewg.org , has not only embarrassed the agricultural industry, but also allowed the public to realize that federal money -- intended to support small family farmers -- has mostly enhanced the profits of large agricultural corporations. -- The Charlotte Observer has been able to reveal how the Duke Power Co., an electric utility, cooked its books so that it avoided exceeding its profit limits. This creative accounting scheme prevented the utility from giving lower rates to 2 millioncustomers in NorthCarolina and South Carolina. -- USA Today was able to uncover and publicize a widespread pattern of misconduct among the National Guard's upper echelon that has continued for more than a decade. Among the abuses documented in public records are the inflation of troop strength, the misuse of taxpayer money, incidents of sexual harassment and the theft of life-insurance payments intended for the widows and children of Guardsmen. -- The National Security Archive, a private Washington-based research group, has been able to obtain records that document an unpublicized event in our history. It turns out that in 1975, President Gerald Ford and Secretary of State Henry Kissinger gave Indonesian strongman Suharto the green light to invade East Timor, an incursion that left 200,000 people dead. -- By examining tens of thousands of public records, the Associated Press has been able to substantiate the long-held African American allegation that white people -- through threats of violence, even murder -- cheated them out of their land. In many cases, government officials simply approved the transfer of property deeds. Valued at tens of million of dollars, some 24,000 acres of farm and timber lands, once the property of 406 black families, are now owned by whites or corporations. These are but a sample of the revelations made possible by recent FOIA requests. None of them endanger the national security. It is important to remember that all classified documents are protected from FOIA requests and unavailable to the public. Yet these secrets have exposed all kinds of official skullduggery, some of which even violated the law. True, such revelations may disgrace public officials or even result in criminal charges, but that is the consequence -- or shall we say, the punishment -- for violating the public trust. No one disputes that we must safeguard our national security. All of us want to protect our nation from further acts of terrorism. But we must never allow the public's right to know, enshrined in the Freedom of Information Act, to be suppressed for the sake of official convenience. --------------------------- Ruth Rosen Editorial writer and columnist San Francisco Chronicle 901 Mission Street San Francisco, CA 94103 Phone: 415-536-3093 Fax: 415-543-7708 rrosen@s... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 4710 From: A Grudko Date: Thu Jan 31, 2002 4:25pm Subject: Re: Re: Re: Bug Photos Wanted - Original Message - > Sorry, I didnt realise that in the U.S. mere possession of a bug is considered a criminal offence. Hello Paolo + If so then under US law I'm a criminal. I have my first located bug encapsulated in resin on my desk. Thankfully that's not the case under our laws. We have photos of a few bugs and ancillary connections/equipment that we have found over the decades. We're happy to freely share this amongst colleagues for commercial distribution as long as we get acknowledgement. Andy Grudko D.P.M., Grad I.S, (S.A.) - Grudko Associates - www.grudko.com , Est. 1981 International business intelligence and investigations - ICQ 146498943 Johannesburg (+27 11) 465 9673 - 465 1487 (Fax), Pretoria (+27 12) 244 0255 - 244 0256 (Fax) SACI, WAD, CALI, SAMLF, UKPIN, AFIO (OS), IWWA, PRETrust, AmChamCom When you need it done right - first time 4711 From: Grey Operator Date: Thu Jan 31, 2002 4:53pm Subject: Police Bugging stir up hornets nest in UK A couple of links for the list to peruse:- Tuesday, 29th January 2002 Murder case over due to Police bugging http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/scotland/newsid_1790000/1790183.stm Wednesday, 30th January 2002 Police suspended over bugging http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/england/newsid_1791000/1791735.stm Five freed as judge condemns Police http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,2-2002047642,00.html Officers caught by Judges diligence http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,2-2002047811,00.html Lawyers claim Police bugging is widespread http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,2-2002047147,00.html Thursday,31st January 2002 Second trial in doubt as officers suspended http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,2-2002050750,00.html I sit on both sides of the fence with this, as I deal with TSCM, & Covert Surveillance in my current law enforcement work. IMHO these guys deserve everything they get for being so professionally incompetent & ethically and morally bankrupt. Some many of us in the community are working so hard to educate & prevent against this sort of incompetent abuse.It deeply saddens me that I and many of my colleagues will suffer as a result of this. It is something we have tried so hard to prevent and educate against in recent years. Only the bad guys win........... TTFN Mick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 4712 From: Date: Fri Feb 1, 2002 2:48pm Subject: Confiscated PC Reveals Terrorist Focus On Water Supply "Better break Out the Perrier!" Confiscated PC Reveals Terrorist Focus On Water Supply The FBI's National Infrastructure Protection Center (NIPC) said it has uncovered evidence that terrorists may have planned attacks on water supply systems in the United States and abroad. According to a bulletin issued by the NIPC Tuesday and labelled as of "high" importance, a computer, owned by an individual with indirect links to Osama bin Laden, was found to contain several software programs used for structural engineering of "dams and other water-retaining structures." The presence of the programs demonstrates "terrorist interest" in water supply systems, the bulletin said. The bulletin did not identify the individual who owned the computer nor provide more details about how the device was obtained by law enforcement. NIPC officials were not immediately available for comment. The NIPC said the programs included CATIGE, which stands for computer-aided teaching in geotechnical engineering; and Microstran, a structural engineering system. Both are developed in Australia, according to their Web sites. Also installed on the PC were AutoDesk's AutoCAD 2000 computer-assisted design and drafting program, as well as the Beam stress analysis software package from ORAND Systems, according to the NIPC. The computer also contained programs used to identify and classify soils, the bulletin said. EOM HAVE A GREAT DAY !!! Please Note: No trees were destroyed in the sending of this contaminant free message We do concede, a significant number of electrons may have been inconvenienced. : >) ---------- http://www.intelligentx.com/newsletters/technology/articles/story_tech1_020102.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]