From: James M. Atkinson, Comm-Eng Date: Wed Mar 22, 2000 1:27pm Subject: TSCM receivers "Fred" asked that the following be posted anonymously, so I am forwarding it as per his request. --- >>>>> I usually do not comment on the list, however, some of the comments below greatly disturbed me. Mr. Hoffman's comments give our business and everyone associated with TSCM services a bad reputation. The comments below may be his opinion, but they are quite offensive to honest manufactuers that work hard to develop legal TSCM equipment. Furthermore, I am amazed that you would recommend illegal activity and compare this business to dealing with drug dealers. Optoelectronics is a good honest company and I respect their business and business practices. Do you expect Optoelectronics to trade a thriving business to be prosecuted simply because a few private investigators want to scan and intercept cell phones? There is certainly available professional equipment that allows professional people to do professional sweeps within the bounds of the law. No company wishes to be hounded by a rabid federal law enforcement officer. However, it seems to me that Mr. Hoffman has set himself up for just such scrutiny by publicly sending out his advice to break the law. I hope for his sake that there are no rabid Federal Law enforcement officers that are members of the list, but you never know. Furthermore, these are the types of attitudes that, when publicly voiced, increase the scrutiny of the microscope that we already live under in this business. anonymous At 10:59 AM -0600 3/22/00, Fred-the-Fed wrote: >-----Original Message----- >From:Hoffman [SMTP:hoffman@n...] >Sent:Wednesday, March 22, 2000 8:18 AM >To:TSCM-L@onelist.com >Subject:Re: [TSCM-L] TSCM receivers > >From: "Hoffman" > > > With the shadow of asinine receiver/scanner laws looming over > > US security and TSCM persons.... what can one do to obtain > > a receiver (for legitimate TSCM use) which has not been > > electronically neutered? > > Jay Coote >------------------------------------ >Hoffman replies: > >Legitimate electronic test equipment is exempt from the >laws you mentioned in 18 U.S.C. Chapter 119, Sec 2512. > >The only reason that companies like OPTOELECTRONICS, >and the various scanner manufacturers block the cell band >in my opinion, is because they are too cowardly, and they >lack the testicular fortitude to claim that their equipment is >for telecommunication company use, and so they are afraid >of reprisals by rabid federal law enforcement. > >Anyway, whenever I want a scanning receiver which covers >the cellular band, I just order it from various U.S. mail-order >resellers. Despite common myth, there are lots of >people who are all too happy to ignore the law; you just >have to know who the "friendlies" are that will sell you >the goods. I'll give you advice on how to purchase >such units. It's just like illicit drugs. At first it seems >as if nobody is selling the stuff, but if you do a little >digging and scratch the surface; make some telephone >calls; buy some products from dealers; and get to >know people... You'll then realize that you can >get cell capable scanners with no problem, >so long as you've got the green. =================================================================== Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes? =================================================================== James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island Group 127 Eastern Avenue #291 http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 jmatk@t... =================================================================== Copyright 2000, James M. Atkinson, All Rights Reserved 92 From: Jesse Thomas Date: Wed Mar 22, 2000 1:38pm Subject: Re: TSCM receivers Geeze, talk about neutered! What's the big deal. Stop being so paranoid. "James M. Atkinson, Comm-Eng" wrote: > From: "James M. Atkinson, Comm-Eng" > > "Fred" asked that the following be posted anonymously, so I am > forwarding it as per his request. > > --- > > >>>>> > > I usually do not comment on the list, however, some of the comments below > greatly disturbed me. Mr. Hoffman's comments give our business and everyone > associated with TSCM services a bad reputation. The comments below may be > his opinion, but they are quite offensive to honest manufactuers that work > hard to develop legal TSCM equipment. Furthermore, I am amazed that you > would recommend illegal activity and compare this business to dealing with > drug dealers. Optoelectronics is a good honest company and I respect their > business and business practices. Do you expect Optoelectronics to trade a > thriving business to be prosecuted simply because a few private > investigators want to scan and intercept cell phones? There is certainly > available professional equipment that allows professional people to do > professional sweeps within the bounds of the law. No company wishes to be > hounded by a rabid federal law enforcement officer. However, it seems to me > that Mr. Hoffman has set himself up for just such scrutiny by publicly > sending out his advice to break the law. I hope for his sake that there are > no rabid Federal Law enforcement officers that are members of the list, but > you never know. Furthermore, these are the types of attitudes that, when > publicly voiced, increase the scrutiny of the microscope that we already > live under in this business. > > anonymous > > At 10:59 AM -0600 3/22/00, Fred-the-Fed wrote: > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Hoffman [SMTP:hoffman@n...] > >Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2000 8:18 AM > >To: TSCM-L@onelist.com > >Subject: Re: [TSCM-L] TSCM receivers > > > >From: "Hoffman" > > > > > With the shadow of asinine receiver/scanner laws looming over > > > US security and TSCM persons.... what can one do to obtain > > > a receiver (for legitimate TSCM use) which has not been > > > electronically neutered? > > > Jay Coote > >------------------------------------ > >Hoffman replies: > > > >Legitimate electronic test equipment is exempt from the > >laws you mentioned in 18 U.S.C. Chapter 119, Sec 2512. > > > >The only reason that companies like OPTOELECTRONICS, > >and the various scanner manufacturers block the cell band > >in my opinion, is because they are too cowardly, and they > >lack the testicular fortitude to claim that their equipment is > >for telecommunication company use, and so they are afraid > >of reprisals by rabid federal law enforcement. > > > >Anyway, whenever I want a scanning receiver which covers > >the cellular band, I just order it from various U.S. mail-order > >resellers. Despite common myth, there are lots of > >people who are all too happy to ignore the law; you just > >have to know who the "friendlies" are that will sell you > >the goods. I'll give you advice on how to purchase > >such units. It's just like illicit drugs. At first it seems > >as if nobody is selling the stuff, but if you do a little > >digging and scratch the surface; make some telephone > >calls; buy some products from dealers; and get to > >know people... You'll then realize that you can > >get cell capable scanners with no problem, > >so long as you've got the green. > > =================================================================== > Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes? > =================================================================== > James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 546-3803 > Granite Island Group > 127 Eastern Avenue #291 http://www.tscm.com/ > Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 jmatk@t... > =================================================================== > Copyright 2000, James M. Atkinson, All Rights Reserved > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 2.9% > Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/936/0/_/507420/_/953753693/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > http://www.onelist.com/community/TSCM-L > > or email your subscription request to: > subTSCM-L@t... > =================================================== TSKS 93 From: Michael Martz Date: Tue Mar 21, 2000 9:19pm Subject: Re: TSCM receivers > I ordered un-cell blocked recievers via mail order from Canada no problem from the guys at: http://www.durhamradio.ca/ It took about two weeks to get the equipment but I did get it with no problems from customs. They labeled the Opto reciever as "FM Radio". MM 94 From: Rocco Rosano Date: Tue Mar 21, 2000 9:54pm Subject: Re: TSCM receivers Jay, Et Al I don't really see this as a problem. At least to the same degree that Jay may see it. Jay Coote wrote: > From: "Jay Coote" > > With the shadow of asinine receiver/scanner laws looming over > US security and TSCM persons.... what can one do to obtain > a receiver (for legitimate TSCM use) which has not been electronically neutered? Sometimes, it is important (in the RF arena) to fall back to the basics. RF analysis and detection is the fundamental. And there is a vast array of equipment out there COTS that, when put together, does a much better job than do the "all-in-one" scanner packages. > It would be just like a 'bugger' to set his/her device to transmit > within the coverage gaps of US-market receivers.... > Jay Coote > TSCM@j... Just fall back to the basics. A good antenna and sensor array (eg SAS series), with a good spectrum analyzer with narrow band and wide band IF Outputs. And, independent demodulators, decoders and filters. A good O'scope. And very important, a very good range of very sensitive pre-amps that are battery powered and compact. Any of you who have work government TSCM or ASA/NSA intercept and collection have seen all these devices. They are not very expensive in comparison to the major end-items, but they work just fine. And, they are only limited to the scope and range of your primary receiver. Rocco Rosano Reynoldsburg, OH mailto:roccorosano@a... > 95 From: cclaypole Date: Wed Mar 22, 2000 3:23am Subject: VIRUS WARNING Dear Colleagues, Whilst I am sure you folk on the other side of the big pond are normally aware of these sort of things well before we get to find out about them in rural England; just to be on the safe side, I am copying this to the community. Take care, Chris Claypole Labyrinth International, England --- Original Message ----- From: Martha O'Sullivan To: Sent: 21 March 2000 11:17 Subject: FW: Fwd[2]:virus warning > I have just received some info on a virus that has just been released. > > Someone is sending out a cute screensaver of the Budweiser frogs. if you > download it you will lose everything. Your hard drive will crash and > someone from the Internet will get your screen name and password. > > DO NOT DOWNLOAD IT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANMCES. > > it went into circulation yesterday as far as we know. Please distribute > this message. This is a new and very malicious virus and not many people > know about it. This information was announced yesrday morning from > Microsoft. Please share it with everyone that might access the internet. > > AOL has said this is a very dangerous virus and that there is NO remedy > for it at this time. Please practice cautionary measures and forward to > all your on-line friends. Regards Tim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 96 From: Sarunas Krivickas Date: Wed Mar 22, 2000 7:19am Subject: Interception of microwave bulk Hi everybody, I am just joined the TSCM-L, therefore, I have no any view about manner of discussion on this forum. So, please excuse me if my question does not fit to forum's frame. Also, sorry for my English. It is not my mother language. Thanks. The questions are related to interception of information bulk transmitted by microwave radio relay link. 1. Could you advice some open www sources about /subj/? 2. Does the possibility to intercept e.g. ISDN bulk is simple and cheap? 3. Do you know any figures e.g. distances, approx. cost of equipment or system, etc.? 4. any other comments? Notes: There I am talking not about encrypted links, projects like echelon and gov. systems. Also, you are welcome to contact to my by e-mail direct. Regards, Mr. Sarunas Krivickas 97 From: Hoffman Date: Wed Mar 22, 2000 9:52pm Subject: Re: TSCM receivers From: hoffman@n... To : spook@c... RE : Items prohibited by law, and how it relates to the TSCM industry. My response to "Fred". ------------------------------------ "Fred" has shared his opinion, and now I choose to not so briefly write my opinion on the matter. My position summarized: I think that a large portion of 18 USC 2512 is a crock; and that pretty much represents my position on the matter. The only part of Chapter 119 (ECPA) which I think is worth anything, are the sections which codify governments conduct as it pertains to surveillance. I think that any law which restricts a private individuals (including businessmen) righ to own [or] manufacture a full featured quality electronic product (or a piece of crap for that matter) is fundamentally wrong. ------------------------------------- For the better part of the last 5 years, I have dedicated my time (among many other political causes which I take up) to doing two things as it pertains to this conversation. First, I have tirelessly petitioned my representitives to have the current laws (18 USC Ch 119) amended so as to further the principles of the American way of life as I view it. I knew from the start that this would be a waste of time since laws once written are virtually irreversable. Nevertheless, I keep at it simply to voice my opinion. Secondly, what I have done that has made a difference is to personally talk face-to-face and by correspondance with various well known resellers of products which are affected by the aforementioned law. I have talked with a dozen companies that I have close relations with that are small resellers of scanning receivers, or other "Title III" type goods (i.e. mail-order "spy supply" companies which the self righteous are so fond of bashing). Many years ago, most mail order companies were feeling the squeeze and hysteria when they read about various spy shops getting busted, or U.S. Customs seizing cell capable scanners as well as "cellular intercept devices". When I had my own mail-order company several years ago, I had pondered the issue briefly, and immediately made the decision that I'll sell anything I damned well please; and that I did! Proudly. Nobody ever came knocking on my door. So I encouraged my associates not to feel the pressure, and thanks to me (or so I like to think I played my part through friendly encouragement) there are other companies owned by some people who have some testicular fortitude and are not afraid to sell what are now considered unlawful goods (i.e. transmitters, and cell capable scanners). Not all of my friends sell the goods overtly; but they still sell them; and I'm damned happy for them. There represents a ceartain portion of TSCM practitioners who have never sold "Title III" type goods and may have some moral aversion to them, and to other people selling them. To these people I simply say, "Sorry, but although you have the right to your opinion, another citizens business is really not your concern." So [you] just do what you do, and let other people go about their life selling the products which they choose to sell. Jumping down each others throats is merely counterproductive and does not help anyone. I happen to have been on "both sides of the fence so to speak" I used to own a low-key mail order business which sold some of the usual Title III goods, plus a few units which I manufactured myself including an absolutely fabulous rifle microphone and what is probably the lowest noise-high gain amplifiers on the market (sorry, Kaiser). Although my mail order business in now closed down, I am now in the process of designing some new products which are mainly for countermeasures. I have an excellent telephone analyzer and carrier current receiver and am now working on an RF differential receiver that I will be selling probably next year. Quite frankly, I see absolutely no "conflict of interest" whatsover. I am an electrical engineer first and foremost and designing products is one of the things that I do. I really could care less what I manufacture, or what the 18 U.S.C. has to say about it, so long as I can produce a product which I am happy with. -------------------- Fred> However, it seems to me that Mr. Hoffman has Fred> set himself up for just such scrutiny by publicly Fred> sending out his advice to break the law. I hate nitpicking (or do I), but I dont believe that I actually advised anyone to break the law. I merely stated a fact that there are plenty of guys out there willing to sell cell capable scanners. Regardless, as you can see by my aforementioned opening, I despise the current law because it is a gross violation of everything which this country is supposed to represent. The government has no busines butting it's nose into the economic affairs of industry, especially for something as trite as electronic goods. We're not talking toxic chemicals and nuclear weapons here. Government intervention is both unwanted and unamerican, and has no place in the Title III or TSCM market; just as it has no place dictating laws regarding the Internet or who can own and use computers, such as the laws which exist in other countries such as Russia (or gun ownership). ------------------ Fred> Mr. Hoffman's comments give our business and Fred> everyone associated with TSCM services a bad Fred> reputation. Mr. Hoffmans comments have nothing whatsoever do do with "our business", or "your business" or "the TSCM industry". It has to do with the rights of 450+ Million Americans to be free from government intrusions in matters of interstate and intrastate commerce. Your entitled to your opinion, but you ceartainly dont speak for an entire industry, and you sure as hell dont speak for 450 Million americans. There are a hell of alot more HAM radio, electronic hobbyists, and scanner hobbyists in this country than there are TSCM practitioners (or enthusiasts) and if you want to make this into some kind of contest, you pretty much lose by a factor or 10,000:1. Quite frankly, I dont see how another persons right to own electronic equipment is any of "your business". Do you really think the majority of 450 Million Americans really give a darned about the TSCM industry. That comment represents the ultimate in arrogance, that you think everyones rights should be restricted, just so as to appease your conscience or to make the industry look good. To phrase it another way; "the world does not revolve around you, or the TSCM industry"... so give it a rest. Furthermore, it wasn't more than a few years ago when such laws regarding transmitters and scanners largely did not exist. In fact, I think there were a hell of alot more industry folks who were happier back then because they did not have the government butting into their industry. Most manufacturers do not look kindly on government intrusion, nor do most manufacturers take kindly to being forced to produce an inferior product with limited/restricted capabilities. ----------------------- Fred> his opinion(sic).. are quite offensive to Fred> honest manufactuers that work hard to develop Fred> legal TSCM equipment. First, I take objection to your use of the word "honest manufacturers". It's merely an obfuscation on your part designed to make you look like the fictitious good guy, and make somebody else look like the bad guy. If given the chance, manufacturers produce what the public wants by the laws of supply and demand. (Thats the American way. That is what is morally righteous.) At the same time, manufacturers strive to produce the best products that they can. When government intervenes and starts forcing manufacturers to compromise the integrity and capability of their products, you can be damned sure that most manufacturers will take objection. Some companies make buckle under to pressure (like cowards) and produce the modified products (like cell blocked scanners), but it sure as hell is not because they want to, or because they think its morally right. They merely comply due to government extortion; the threat of law. A company that buckles into government pressure is in no way whatsoever a more "reputable" company than another company which refuses to comply with the law. You should not confuse morality with legality; as so many people in American society cannot seem to distinquish the difference. If a company resells cellular capable scanners, that does not make that company "immoral" and ceartainly not "disreputable". In law and politics people are often fond of using the latin phrases "malum prohibitum", and "malum en se". In short, these simple phrases distinguish the vast difference between something which is immoral versus something which is merely a piss ante technical violation of some rule or regulation. ------------------------- Fred> Optoelectronics is a good honest company and I Fred> respect their business and business practices. Fred> Do you expect Optoelectronics to trade a thriving Fred> business to be prosecuted simply because a few private Fred> investigators want to scan and intercept cell phones? Fred> There is certainly available professional equipment Fred> that allows professional people to do professional Fred> sweeps within the bounds of the law. No company wishes Fred> to be hounded by a rabid federal law enforcement officer. (Somebody always has to bring up the strawman argument about "evil private investigators"; really I'm tired of that one) So you tell me, why should Optoelectronics; a reputable company with fabulous products (incidentally, I happen to own about $6,000 worth of Opto goods) be excluded from producing quality, full featured products that could be sold to the TSCM industry. Why should Optoelectronics have to modify their products at all just because of some far reatching hypothetical scenario about "those evil private investigators listening to cell phones with some of Optos goods." Clearly any cognizant human being can see the hypocrisy of the law. We do not ban guns (not yet anyway) on the assumption that everyone is a potential John Gacey. We dont ban crow bars and other household tools because they can be used as burgulars tools. Do you seriously believe Optoelectronics gives a rats ass about the morality of the use of their products. If Section 2512 was never passed you can be damned sure that today, Opto would be selling cellular capable equipment because that is what the market forces want!! Aside from the fact that they strive to produce a full featured product. If section 2512 was amended, you'd see virtually every manufacturer in the country revamping their products within six months to make them cellular capable... "Ethics my ass".. "Reputation my ass." The companies are only following the law because they feel they are being coerced to. Nobody is following it voluntarily. How many manufacturers intentionally blocked the cellular and cordless phone band before the law was passed??? -------------------------- Fred> Furthermore, these are the types of attitudes that, Fred> when publicly voiced, increase the scrutiny of the Fred> microscope that we already live under in this business. Fred, I'll have to agree with you on this point. Discretion is sometimes a good tactic. However, this so-called public scrutiny you speak of works both ways. This just goes to demonstrates by your comment, that others like yourself feel some kind of coercive squeeze from extrinsic forces such as federal law or public sentiment. By trying to be "hush-hush" about the matter, you are merely allowing the industry to be attacked, and your not doing your part to stand up for your industry and your right to own any piece of electronic test equipment that you choose which hasn't been modified in accordance with some law. -------------------------- Fred> Furthermore, I am amazed that you would recommend Fred> illegal activity and compare this business to dealing Fred> with drug dealers. I shouldn't waste my time replying... but you obviously misread something. I made no comparison of the drug industry to the electronic industry. So I'm not quite sure why your "foaming at the mouth". As a side note, this is where I shall just add my libertarian opinion that the drug cartels are every bit as "reputable" as the electronic industry, so I simply don't even find your point valid. Just because the government indiscriminately declares a particular industry as illegal or even immoral depending upon whatever crusade happens to be in vogue this decade, ceartainly does not make that industry any less reputable. This is where ya'll are supposed to draw the parralel about how the government is once again butting its nose into the tobacco and gun industry (think: Smith & Wesson agreement brought about by government extortion). ---------------------------------- So ends my rant on this topic which I take very personally. As a libertarian, I believe this country has gone into "the dumpers" thanks to the good ol' politicians inability to mind their own damned business and to leave private industry to do what they do. Oh, and we can also discuss my opinion regarding the fact that I believe no person has any "reasonable expectation of privacy" on a cellular telephone. You want privacy; use encryption. Anyone that advocates the cellular and cordless phone restriction law is merely part of the larger problem which exists of the public being fed a false panacea. Respectable security professionals should likely never put any false legal remedies ahead of real technical solutions such as encryption (or plain ol' common sense). 98 From: Date: Wed Mar 22, 2000 7:58pm Subject: Re: VIRUS WARNING A VERY old hoax....at least 2 years since I've last seen it. 99 From: William Knowles Date: Wed Mar 22, 2000 8:47pm Subject: Re: VIRUS WARNING On Wed, 22 Mar 2000, cclaypole wrote: This is more of an Internet chain letter, but it goes without saying to NOT run any code from unknown sources because you are running the risk of downloading trojan horses or infected files. I also highly recommend you all get an update of your virus definations for your anti-virus programs to prevent you from losing all your data should you be unlucky enough to download a real virus. Cheers! William Knowles wk@c... > From: "cclaypole" > > Dear Colleagues, > > Whilst I am sure you folk on the other side of the big pond are > normally aware of these sort of things well before we get to find > out about them in rural England; just to be on the safe side, I am > copying this to the community. > > > I have just received some info on a virus that has just been released. > > > > Someone is sending out a cute screensaver of the Budweiser frogs. if you > > download it you will lose everything. Your hard drive will crash and > > someone from the Internet will get your screen name and password. *-------------------------------------------------* "Communications without intelligence is noise; Intelligence without communications is irrelevant." Gen. Alfred. M. Gray, USMC --------------------------------------------------- C4I Secure Solutions http://www.c4i.org *-------------------------------------------------* 100 From: A.Lizard Date: Thu Mar 23, 2000 4:28am Subject: Re: TSCM receivers At 22:54 2000-03-21 -0500, you wrote: >From: Rocco Rosano > >Jay, Et Al > >I don't really see this as a problem. At least to the same degree that >Jay may see >it. > >Jay Coote wrote: > > > From: "Jay Coote" > > > > With the shadow of asinine receiver/scanner laws looming over > > US security and TSCM persons.... what can one do to obtain > > a receiver (for legitimate TSCM use) which has not been electronically > neutered? > >Sometimes, it is important (in the RF arena) to fall back to the basics. RF >analysis and detection is the fundamental. And there is a vast array of >equipment >out there COTS that, when put together, does a much better job than do the >"all-in-one" scanner packages. 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This one in question has an 'unlock code', which was posted on Compuserve some time ago. I wouldn't however compare buying cell-capable scanners with drug dealing, maybe taking it a bit too far... Just my opinion :-) Mike > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Hoffman [mailto:hoffman@n...] > Enviado el: miércoles, 22 de marzo de 2000 3:24 > Para: TSCM-L@onelist.com > Asunto: Re: [TSCM-L] TSCM receivers > > > From: "Hoffman" > > > With the shadow of asinine receiver/scanner laws looming over > > US security and TSCM persons.... what can one do to obtain > > a receiver (for legitimate TSCM use) which has not been > > electronically neutered? > > Jay Coote > ------------------------------------ > Hoffman replies: > > Legitimate electronic test equipment is exempt from the > laws you mentioned in 18 U.S.C. Chapter 119, Sec 2512. > > The only reason that companies like OPTOELECTRONICS, > and the various scanner manufacturers block the cell band > in my opinion, is because they are too cowardly, and they > lack the testicular fortitude to claim that their equipment is > for telecommunication company use, and so they are afraid > of reprisals by rabid federal law enforcement. > > Anyway, whenever I want a scanning receiver which covers > the cellular band, I just order it from various U.S. mail-order > resellers. Despite common myth, there are lots of > people who are all too happy to ignore the law; you just > have to know who the "friendlies" are that will sell you > the goods. I'll give you advice on how to purchase > such units. It's just like illicit drugs. At first it seems > as if nobody is selling the stuff, but if you do a little > digging and scratch the surface; make some telephone > calls; buy some products from dealers; and get to > know people... You'll then realize that you can > get cell capable scanners with no problem, > so long as you've got the green. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > MAXIMIZE YOUR CARD, MINIMIZE YOUR RATE! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as > 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/2122/0/_/507420/_/953694411/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > http://www.onelist.com/community/TSCM-L > > or email your subscription request to: > subTSCM-L@t... > =================================================== TSKS > > 102 From: James M. Atkinson, Comm-Eng Date: Fri Mar 24, 2000 10:45pm Subject: RE: TSCM receivers Ramsey only got "burned at the Stake" as he was blatantly advertising one or more of his products as a quote "Phone Bug" (I have copies of the catalog where he does this), he got a bit too cocky, and the government took him down a peg. On top of that virtually nothing they sold had an FCC ID and they would sell to anybody (not just hobbyists). If he was only selling kits to hobbyists he would not have gotten busted. Also, PI's LOVED the little crystal controlled bug as they could buy it fully assembled for virtually nothing (and yes, hundreds did... none of which were hobbyists). Second, Opto got "looked at" as they were selling the hell out of the CF-802 Cellular Filter and Pre-amplifier, and were marketing it as an "Interception Device" (with quite a bit of "nudge, nudge, wink, wink"). The government really didn't care about Scout, Explorer, R10, R20 until they started to push the CF-802 Snooper. If it is legitimate test equipment the government will leave them alone, but if is "gray area toys" and the manufacture tries to push it as "spy gear" they will feel the wait of the law. TSCM'ers generally do not have problems obtaining normal spectrum analyzers, test sets, and related equipment which has cellular coverage... it's just when they try to get cheap consumer grade goodies that it becomes tough. It's all a matter of intent. TSCM'ers do not need to intercept cellular calls, however; they do need to view a suspect signal in the frequency and time domain (which has nothing to do with snooping in on cell calls). Just my humble opinion. -jma At 11:51 PM +0100 3/24/00, Miguel Puchol wrote: >From: "Miguel Puchol" > >Hi Hoffman, > >I think that Opto's attitude is very understandable, given what the >government in the U.S. can do to a major electronic kits dealer, where they >were raided and around $100.000 worth of gear seized, because their >experimental FM crystal radio kits were considered illegal bugging devices. >Nobody who wants to bug someone past a 5 on a 1 to 100 scale is going to >ever use one of these, so I hardly see them as potential threats. >So, you can imagine what they could to to Opto if they started selling >unblocked Xplorers. This one in question has an 'unlock code', which was >posted on Compuserve some time ago. >I wouldn't however compare buying cell-capable scanners with drug dealing, >maybe taking it a bit too far... > >Just my opinion :-) > >Mike > > > > -----Mensaje original----- > > De: Hoffman [mailto:hoffman@n...] > > Enviado el: miércoles, 22 de marzo de 2000 3:24 > > Para: TSCM-L@onelist.com > > Asunto: Re: [TSCM-L] TSCM receivers > > > > > > From: "Hoffman" > > > > > With the shadow of asinine receiver/scanner laws looming over > > > US security and TSCM persons.... what can one do to obtain > > > a receiver (for legitimate TSCM use) which has not been > > > electronically neutered? > > > Jay Coote > > ------------------------------------ > > Hoffman replies: > > > > Legitimate electronic test equipment is exempt from the > > laws you mentioned in 18 U.S.C. Chapter 119, Sec 2512. > > > > The only reason that companies like OPTOELECTRONICS, > > and the various scanner manufacturers block the cell band > > in my opinion, is because they are too cowardly, and they > > lack the testicular fortitude to claim that their equipment is > > for telecommunication company use, and so they are afraid > > of reprisals by rabid federal law enforcement. > > > > Anyway, whenever I want a scanning receiver which covers > > the cellular band, I just order it from various U.S. mail-order > > resellers. Despite common myth, there are lots of > > people who are all too happy to ignore the law; you just > > have to know who the "friendlies" are that will sell you > > the goods. I'll give you advice on how to purchase > > such units. It's just like illicit drugs. At first it seems > > as if nobody is selling the stuff, but if you do a little > > digging and scratch the surface; make some telephone > > calls; buy some products from dealers; and get to > > know people... You'll then realize that you can > > get cell capable scanners with no problem, > > so long as you've got the green. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > MAXIMIZE YOUR CARD, MINIMIZE YOUR RATE! > > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! 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Atkinson Phone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island Group 127 Eastern Avenue #291 http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 jmatk@t... =================================================================== Copyright 2000, James M. Atkinson, All Rights Reserved 103 From: Rocco Rosano Date: Fri Mar 24, 2000 10:55pm Subject: Re: TSCM receivers Et Al: Why go to all that trouble when you can see the entire spectrum with a spectrum analyzer? I guess I don't understand! Rocco Rosano Reynoldsburg, Ohio Miguel Puchol wrote: > From: "Miguel Puchol" > > Hi Hoffman, > > I think that Opto's attitude is very understandable, given what the > government in the U.S. can do to a major electronic kits dealer, where they > were raided and around $100.000 worth of gear seized, because their > experimental FM crystal radio kits were considered illegal bugging devices. > Nobody who wants to bug someone past a 5 on a 1 to 100 scale is going to > ever use one of these, so I hardly see them as potential threats. > So, you can imagine what they could to to Opto if they started selling > unblocked Xplorers. This one in question has an 'unlock code', which was > posted on Compuserve some time ago. > I wouldn't however compare buying cell-capable scanners with drug dealing, > maybe taking it a bit too far... > > Just my opinion :-) > > Mike > > > -----Mensaje original----- > > De: Hoffman [mailto:hoffman@n...] > > Enviado el: miércoles, 22 de marzo de 2000 3:24 > > Para: TSCM-L@onelist.com > > Asunto: Re: [TSCM-L] TSCM receivers > > > > > > From: "Hoffman" > > > > > With the shadow of asinine receiver/scanner laws looming over > > > US security and TSCM persons.... what can one do to obtain > > > a receiver (for legitimate TSCM use) which has not been > > > electronically neutered? > > > Jay Coote > > ------------------------------------ > > Hoffman replies: > > > > Legitimate electronic test equipment is exempt from the > > laws you mentioned in 18 U.S.C. Chapter 119, Sec 2512. > > > > The only reason that companies like OPTOELECTRONICS, > > and the various scanner manufacturers block the cell band > > in my opinion, is because they are too cowardly, and they > > lack the testicular fortitude to claim that their equipment is > > for telecommunication company use, and so they are afraid > > of reprisals by rabid federal law enforcement. > > > > Anyway, whenever I want a scanning receiver which covers > > the cellular band, I just order it from various U.S. mail-order > > resellers. Despite common myth, there are lots of > > people who are all too happy to ignore the law; you just > > have to know who the "friendlies" are that will sell you > > the goods. I'll give you advice on how to purchase > > such units. It's just like illicit drugs. At first it seems > > as if nobody is selling the stuff, but if you do a little > > digging and scratch the surface; make some telephone > > calls; buy some products from dealers; and get to > > know people... You'll then realize that you can > > get cell capable scanners with no problem, > > so long as you've got the green. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > MAXIMIZE YOUR CARD, MINIMIZE YOUR RATE! > > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as > > 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > > Apply NOW! > > http://click.egroups.com/1/2122/0/_/507420/_/953694411/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ======================================================== > > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > > http://www.onelist.com/community/TSCM-L > > > > or email your subscription request to: > > subTSCM-L@t... > > =================================================== TSKS > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Good friends, school spirit, hair-dos you'd like to forget. > Classmates.com has them all. And with 4.4 million alumni already > registered, there's a good chance you'll find your friends here: > http://click.egroups.com/1/2623/0/_/507420/_/953957691/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > http://www.onelist.com/community/TSCM-L > > or email your subscription request to: > subTSCM-L@t... > =================================================== TSKS 104 From: Miguel Puchol Date: Sun Mar 26, 2000 5:48am Subject: RE: TSCM receivers I was not aware of all these details, being from Spain. If this is how it went, then I understand how the system works over in the U.S. Here in Spain, telecomms law states that interception of ANY message or information not intended for you is illegal, but this is very rarely inforced. Some high-ranking gov' officials cell calls were recorded and filtered to media, and nothing was done about it (apart from throwing the analog phones away and buying GSM ones). All scanners sold are fully open, but strangely enough, amateur radios like the Yaesu VX-1 or VX-5, which are sold as 'dual-band rigs with wide RX coverage', are only capable of receiving amateur bands out of the box. You can, however, perform a simple mod to open the rig. All Yaesu have to do is put a label on the box that reads 'not modifiable by sole use of the keypad or external software', and they're covered. Cheers, Mike > Ramsey only got "burned at the Stake" as he was blatantly advertising > one or more of his products as a quote "Phone Bug" (I have copies of > the catalog where he does this), he got a bit too cocky, and the > government took him down a peg. On top of that virtually nothing they > sold had an FCC ID and they would sell to anybody (not just > hobbyists). < SNIP > 105 From: James M. Atkinson, Comm-Eng Date: Sun Mar 26, 2000 6:01pm Subject: Roswell Keep this in mind as "Election 2000" gains momentum... On July 1, 1947, witnesses claim a spaceship with five aliens aboard crashed on a sheep and cattle ranch outside Roswell NM, an incident they say has been covered up by the military. On March 31, 1948, exactly nine months after that day, Al Gore was born. -jma =================================================================== Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes? =================================================================== James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island Group 127 Eastern Avenue #291 http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 jmatk@t... =================================================================== Copyright 2000, James M. Atkinson, All Rights Reserved 106 From: Robert G. Ferrell Date: Mon Mar 27, 2000 10:53am Subject: Re: Roswell >On July 1, 1947, witnesses claim a spaceship with five aliens aboard >crashed on a sheep and cattle ranch outside Roswell NM, an incident >they say has been covered up by the military. >On March 31, 1948, exactly nine months after that day, Al Gore was born. I expect if he's elected he'll disappear into the White House and reemerge in his true visage, Marvin the Martian. The first time someone takes a pot shot at him during a press conference, we'll hear, "I'm getting very angry. Very angry indeed." Next thing you know, out comes the Illudium P-32 Explosive Space Modulator and we're all toast. Cheers, RGF 107 From: Perry Myers Date: Mon Mar 27, 2000 10:41am Subject: RE: Roswell Not that there is anything wrong with a little foreign intervention. After all, us earthlings have not exactly been perfect so far! -----Original Message----- From: James M. Atkinson, Comm-Eng [mailto:jmatk@t...] Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2000 6:02 PM To: TSCM-L Mailing List Subject: [TSCM-L] Roswell From: "James M. Atkinson, Comm-Eng" Keep this in mind as "Election 2000" gains momentum... On July 1, 1947, witnesses claim a spaceship with five aliens aboard crashed on a sheep and cattle ranch outside Roswell NM, an incident they say has been covered up by the military. On March 31, 1948, exactly nine months after that day, Al Gore was born. -jma =================================================================== Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes? =================================================================== James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island Group 127 Eastern Avenue #291 http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 jmatk@t... =================================================================== Copyright 2000, James M. Atkinson, All Rights Reserved ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MAXIMIZE YOUR CARD, MINIMIZE YOUR RATE! Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! http://click.egroups.com/1/2122/0/_/507420/_/954175054/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ======================================================== TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: http://www.onelist.com/community/TSCM-L or email your subscription request to: subTSCM-L@t... =================================================== TSKS 108 From: Date: Mon Mar 27, 2000 11:29am Subject: Re: TSCM receivers Thanks fo your opinion. I liked it. Can you direct me to a hand held spectrum analyser? I've got something going on at the home front here that causes me concern Thanks, Dan 109 From: Andre Holmes <1ach@g...> Date: Mon Mar 27, 2000 3:42pm Subject: Re: Roswell I want to clear up any misconceptions about real flying sausers.It was 1992 I was asleep in my camper a travel trailer located on high ground topographical area plus 500 acres much of it unseen by humans I got lost one day and hiked four grulling hrs till I reached a road luckey for me I was armed shotgun and 45 ready for any attack.That was one day on the other day while asleep it was a summer night pitched black small acorns were on the trees,I started to get hot and I was sweaton. I saw this bright white lighted flying object about 300 ft above tree tops it was to my left.It was then that I realized It was a UFO by then one of the resident land owners down over the ridge beyound the creek opened up on the ufo with a 12 gauge shotgun I heard of storys of people trying to take on ufos and losing believe me humans can knock it out of the sky with heat seeking projectiles from silos only,now what did the shooting do to the spacecraft nothing accept it moved out of projectairy range of the shooting.It got closer to me maintaing tree top height about 100ft I heard the engines they were smooth real quite Id say two engines it was like hearing properly tuned honda engines. My skin did get blocky I also communicated with it using a mag flashlite I flickered it on and off took about 25sec for them to respond then how ever many times I flicker four then four acorns fell from the trees you could hear then and count them as well.I would say it was not as big as a football field.You could not get a real good look at it because it would hover in and out and the glow of lights would throw your vision off sometimes you would see four lights when it moved out then two lights when it moved in.I did not have a working camera only buris 10-50s at the time.Since then I have seen two unducumented animals on two legs that eats meat one actually stalks me through the woods so I always have softnose bullets all the time.That was a true story and the locals can back it up and if you are daring and can shoot staight you can hike out there and camp for three days with optics you will see the animal stalk you,but I plan on getting it on film first then I will go national with it. When we are in space moris code should be sent out in all directions then have cameras picking up movement of a UFO. -----Original Message----- From: James M. Atkinson, Comm-Eng To: TSCM-L Mailing List Date: Monday, March 27, 2000 11:37 AM Subject: [TSCM-L] Roswell >From: "James M. Atkinson, Comm-Eng" > >Keep this in mind as "Election 2000" gains momentum... > >On July 1, 1947, witnesses claim a spaceship with five aliens aboard >crashed on a sheep and cattle ranch outside Roswell NM, an incident >they say has been covered up by the military. > >On March 31, 1948, exactly nine months after that day, Al Gore was born. > >-jma > =================================================================== > Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes? > =================================================================== > James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 546-3803 > Granite Island Group > 127 Eastern Avenue #291 http://www.tscm.com/ > Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 jmatk@t... > =================================================================== > Copyright 2000, James M. Atkinson, All Rights Reserved > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >MAXIMIZE YOUR CARD, MINIMIZE YOUR RATE! >Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as >0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. >Apply NOW! >http://click.egroups.com/1/2122/0/_/507420/_/954175054/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > http://www.onelist.com/community/TSCM-L > > or email your subscription request to: > subTSCM-L@t... >=================================================== TSKS > 110 From: Date: Mon Mar 27, 2000 11:02am Subject: Re: TSCM receivers I like this. Thanks for the info. Can you help with a name as far as where I can get one? Dan 111 From: Date: Mon Mar 27, 2000 11:22am Subject: Re: TSCM receivers Thanks for your opinion. I really appreciated it. I would appreciate an update on new equipment you might be designing. I have a specific concern here at home and need some counter technology. Thanks again for your comments Dan McGraw Elk River, MN 112 From: Ray Fitgerald Date: Mon Mar 27, 2000 6:38pm Subject: Re: Roswell I love it. " Truth is stranger than fiction".. Beam me up Al... I guess I'll be on the SS hit list now!... Raymond J. Fitzgerald Bureau Of Special Services bosspi@i... http://business.inc.com/bosspi 914-543-6487 --- 914-534-1060 FAX Licensed & Bonded Investigators in N.Y. since 1973 Member: NALI,ALDONYS,NAPPS,COIN,EPIC. " Truth Never Fears Detection " -----Original Message----- From: James M. Atkinson, Comm-Eng To: TSCM-L Mailing List Date: Monday, March 27, 2000 11:37 AM Subject: [TSCM-L] Roswell >From: "James M. Atkinson, Comm-Eng" > >Keep this in mind as "Election 2000" gains momentum... > >On July 1, 1947, witnesses claim a spaceship with five aliens aboard >crashed on a sheep and cattle ranch outside Roswell NM, an incident >they say has been covered up by the military. > >On March 31, 1948, exactly nine months after that day, Al Gore was born. > >-jma > =================================================================== > Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes? > =================================================================== > James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 546-3803 > Granite Island Group > 127 Eastern Avenue #291 http://www.tscm.com/ > Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 jmatk@t... > =================================================================== > Copyright 2000, James M. Atkinson, All Rights Reserved > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >MAXIMIZE YOUR CARD, MINIMIZE YOUR RATE! >Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as >0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. >Apply NOW! >http://click.egroups.com/1/2122/0/_/507420/_/954175054/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > http://www.onelist.com/community/TSCM-L > > or email your subscription request to: > subTSCM-L@t... >=================================================== TSKS > 113 From: Jay Coote Date: Mon Mar 27, 2000 8:03pm Subject: Re: TSCM receivers I'm not up on the latest in handheld analyzers, but a good analyzer- with enough senstivity to find more than a "spy-store" bug, plus microwave coverage, will cost. You might consider hiring a TSCM specialist who has an analyzer (he or she should!) as well as equipment for telephones, carrier-current, physical searches and the rest. J. ---------- > From: Clockdepot@a... > > Thanks fo your opinion. I liked it. Can you direct me to a hand held spectrum > analyser? I've got something going on at the home front here that causes me > concern > Thanks, > Dan > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > DON'T HATE YOUR RATE! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as > 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/2120/0/_/507420/_/954199050/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > http://www.onelist.com/community/TSCM-L > > or email your subscription request to: > subTSCM-L@t... > =================================================== TSKS > 114 From: James M. Atkinson, Comm-Eng Date: Mon Mar 27, 2000 8:52pm Subject: Re: TSCM receivers At 5:29 PM -0500 3/27/00, Clockdepot@a... wrote: >From: Clockdepot@a... > >Thanks fo your opinion. I liked it. Can you direct me to a hand held spectrum >analyser? I've got something going on at the home front here that causes me >concern >Thanks, >Dan It pains me to have to say this, but there are no decent hand held spectrum analyzers. About the closest to a "hand held" unit you can get (that is worth a hoot) is an AVCOM unit but the unit is fairly large. On the one hand I would suggest that you stay away from the hand held spectrum analyzers for use during TSCM usage as most of them are (or were) actually designed for use in aligning antennas, and not for hunting for very low level RF signals. Yet on the other hand I would recommend any instrument, tool, or method that gives you any advantage over the opposition. You money would be better spend on a CPM-700, 2044, or 2057. -jma =================================================================== Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes? =================================================================== James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island Group 127 Eastern Avenue #291 http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 jmatk@t... =================================================================== Copyright 2000, James M. Atkinson, All Rights Reserved =================================================================== 115 From: Jordan Ulery Date: Mon Mar 27, 2000 10:59pm Subject: Re: Roswell Good point, but I seem to recall that during the last election there was some foreign intervention in the form of Chinese contributions to the Clinton/Gore team. Perry Myers wrote: > From: Perry Myers > > Not that there is anything wrong with a little foreign intervention. After > all, us earthlings have not exactly been perfect so far! > > -----Original Message----- > From: James M. Atkinson, Comm-Eng [mailto:jmatk@t...] > Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2000 6:02 PM > To: TSCM-L Mailing List > Subject: [TSCM-L] Roswell > > From: "James M. Atkinson, Comm-Eng" > > Keep this in mind as "Election 2000" gains momentum... > > On July 1, 1947, witnesses claim a spaceship with five aliens aboard > crashed on a sheep and cattle ranch outside Roswell NM, an incident > they say has been covered up by the military. > > On March 31, 1948, exactly nine months after that day, Al Gore was born. > > -jma > =================================================================== > Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes? > =================================================================== > James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 546-3803 > Granite Island Group > 127 Eastern Avenue #291 http://www.tscm.com/ > Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 jmatk@t... > =================================================================== > Copyright 2000, James M. Atkinson, All Rights Reserved > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > MAXIMIZE YOUR CARD, MINIMIZE YOUR RATE! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as > 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/2122/0/_/507420/_/954175054/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > http://www.onelist.com/community/TSCM-L > > or email your subscription request to: > subTSCM-L@t... > =================================================== TSKS > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 0.0% > Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/937/0/_/507420/_/954184849/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > http://www.onelist.com/community/TSCM-L > > or email your subscription request to: > subTSCM-L@t... > =================================================== TSKS 116 From: Jesse Thomas Date: Mon Mar 27, 2000 6:21pm Subject: Re: TSCM receivers Oh, they're easy to modify. I used to have some schematics on that stuff. I should dig them up for old times sake. remind me later for them. laters. Jay Coote wrote: > From: "Jay Coote" > > With the shadow of asinine receiver/scanner laws looming over > US security and TSCM persons.... what can one do to obtain > a receiver (for legitimate TSCM use) which has not been electronically neutered? > It would be just like a 'bugger' to set his/her device to transmit > within the coverage gaps of US-market receivers.... > Jay Coote > TSCM@j... > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > MAXIMIZE YOUR CARD, MINIMIZE YOUR RATE! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as > 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/2122/0/_/507420/_/953689650/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > http://www.onelist.com/community/TSCM-L > > or email your subscription request to: > subTSCM-L@t... > =================================================== TSKS 117 From: Steve Uhrig Date: Mon Mar 27, 2000 6:41pm Subject: Handheld spectrum analyzer Once upon a midnight dreary, Clockdepot@a... pondered, weak and weary: > Can you direct me to a hand held spectrum analyser? There is a handheld spectrum analyzer for sale on our website used equipment page, along with other surveillance, countersurveillace and communications equipment. http://www.swssec.com/used.html Regards .... Steve ******************************************************************* Steve Uhrig, SWS Security, Maryland (USA) Mfrs of electronic surveillance equip mailto:Steve@s... website http://www.swssec.com tel +1+410-879-4035, fax +1+410-836-1190 "In God we trust, all others we monitor" ******************************************************************* 118 From: Date: Mon Mar 27, 2000 9:13pm Subject: Re: Roswell Hhahahahhahhahaha. http://community.webtv.net/Negative-/Gotterdammerung 119 From: isg Date: Sat Mar 25, 2000 9:03pm Subject: Re: For Sale: Kaiser SCD5 Michael: Just had a chance to read your e-mail is the unit still available? Pls. notify e-mail or phone 973-335-4139. Rich Michael Martz wrote: > From: Michael Martz > > Hello, > > I have an unused new in box Marty Kaiser SCD5 Carrier Current > detector for sale for $200 if anybody needs one. > > The battery powered SCD5 detects VLF (10 KHz to 700 KHz) > carrier-current signals on AC power or telephone lines. The unit is > supplied withdetector/amplifier assembly, AC and telephone input > cables (both protected to 400 volts DC or 50/60 Hz AC) and headset. > > Please email for any questions. > > Thanks, > > MM > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > DON'T HATE YOUR RATE! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as > 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/2120/0/_/507420/_/953072859/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > http://www.onelist.com/community/TSCM-L > > or email your subscription request to: > subTSCM-L@t... > =================================================== TSKS 120 From: James M. Atkinson, Comm-Eng Date: Tue Mar 28, 2000 4:33pm Subject: Radio Transcript [Humor] This is the transcript of the ACTUAL radio conversation of a US Naval ship and the Canadians, off the coast of Newfoundland, October 1995. Radio conversation released by the Chief of Naval Operations 10-10-95. ----- CANADIANS: Please divert your course 15 degrees to the South, to avoid a collision. AMERICANS: Recommend you divert your course 15 degrees to the North, to avoid a collision. CANADIANS: Negative. You will have to divert your course 15 degrees to the South to avoid a collision. AMERICANS: This is the Captain of a US Navy ship. I say again, divert YOUR course. CANADIANS: Negative. I say again negative, you will have to divert your course. AMERICANS: THIS IS THE AIRCRAFT CARRIER US LINCOLN, THE SECOND LARGEST SHIP IN THE UNITED STATES ATLANTIC FLEET. WE ARE ACCOMPANIED BY THREE DESTROYERS, THREE CRUISERS, AND NUMEROUS SUPPORT VESSELS. I DEMAND THAT YOU CHANGE YOUR COURSE 15 DEGREES NORTH. I SAY AGAIN, THAT'S 15 DEGREES NORTH, OR COUNTERMEASURES WILL BE UNDERTAKEN TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF THIS SHIP. CANADIANS: We're a lighthouse. Your call. =================================================================== Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes? =================================================================== James M. 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