From: James M. Atkinson Date: Sat Apr 5, 2003 3:19pm Subject: Re: Membership Warning John, Your make a good point, but it is morally wrong and dishonest for good men keep their mouth shut about con artists, thieves, felons, and fraudsters. By keeping quiet it allows the bad guys to lie, cheat, and steal from even more victims. If you say nothing then you are partially responsible for creating more victims. Fight the good fight, and give no quarter to the dirt-bag, felons, and con artists that prey on our profession, or those that give our profession a bad name. -jma At 1:34 PM -0800 4/4/03, refmon wrote: >Hi, > >John Collins here. While I am not a licensed investigator, I have had to >wrestle with this sort of thing many times. This felonious fraudulator is >one of a few subjects I can comment on with some level of real knowledge, >having dealt with the underlying maladjustments (to put it mildly) in >personal and corporate situations. > >To put it in short form, all the discussion and public reaction, etc is >contributing to keeping this guy afloat...he is all about the drama and >controversy and drawing others into the emotional cyclone. This is an >incredibly "convenient" malady for he who has it-all the symptoms are >self-validating and all who are critical of the individual are automatically >liars and frauds (again, in his mind). The more drawn into the drama or >crisis everyone becomes, the more empowered (in his own mind) he becomes, >and resultantly, the more in your face. As has been pointed out, at some >point he may cross the wrong person, but it's not likely. In my experience, >this sort of individual is eerily skilled at reading potential victims at a >glance, has a chameleon-like presence, and walks the line just short of >soliciting a violent or otherwise decisive reaction...thus, the low/mid >level, constant, yammering and not-quite-worth-it legal violations. In the >rare situation where he may get caught, convicted and slammered, he's a >victim, he resets, and comes out even more righteous and "insightful". > >I'd predict that if everyone stopped reacting to the guy that he will >attempt several times to create new dramas...getting no reaction, he will >move on to other grazing grounds or simply fall apart. The problem remains >that he moves on to other victims...those who serve to protect those victims >don't get to walk away... I have had to work with mental health >professionals who find this sort of personality disorder so draining that >they must self-counsel within their own local groups in order to avoid fast >burnout. > >The biggest mistake I have seen made with people like this is trying to use >conventional enforcement or treatment modes...they do not respond in a >constructive way. Corporate HR and Security departments usually don't seem >to recognize this...there is no way that current policy established by a >corporation of healthy people would even remotely apply to such an >individual. Likewise, most normal, well meaning people are not equipped to >spot and/or deal with such an individual. > >Just two cents worth from a battle worn corporate manager and father. > >good luck & best regards > >John Collins >_______________________________________________________ >----- Original Message ----- >From: "James M. Atkinson" >To: "TSCM-L Mailing List" >Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 12:00 AM >Subject: RE: [TSCM-L] Membership Warning > > >> At 5:39 PM -0800 4/3/03, Matt Paulsen wrote: >> >I guess he'll will now 'sue' cryptome.. be prepared for more spam with >more >> >copyright than you can stand in your inbox.. >> >http://cryptome.org/threats/iam-threat.htm >> > >> >- Original Message - >> >> There is a convicted felon, and con artist in Tampa, Florida who has >been >> >spoofing email to members of this list, claiming that my website is going >> >down >> >> >> >> But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not >> the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the >> sword come, and take any person from among them, he >> is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I > > require at the watchman's hand. -Ezekiel 33:6 >> > > -jma -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The First, The Largest, The Most Popular, and The Most Complete TSCM, Bug Sweep, Spy Hunting, and Counterintelligence Site on the Internet. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. Atkinson Ph: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island GroupFax: (978) 546-9467 127 Eastern Avenue #291http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008mailto:jmatk@t... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Vocatus atque non vocatus deus aderit -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7174 From: Merl Klein Date: Sat Apr 5, 2003 0:51pm Subject: Fw: legal question ----- Original Message ----- From: Merl Klein To: TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com ; Andre Holmes Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [TSCM-L] legal question Hi A.H. In Canada (Ha Ha) There are provisions in the Criminal Code that prohibit the disclosure of any information surrounding any legally authorized interception. This interception is not limited to Law inforcement. But try to get a civil order! There are also provisions in the Criminal Code that allow for a general warrant to be issued to protect any TSCM contractor from Civil prosecution by his customer. So get to know the technical law enforcement personel in your area, REALLY WELL In the past I have found that the removal of the device by myself, not telling my customer, and returning the device to the Police has left the Police with an operational problem (IE reinstallation of the device), and I have been able to assure my client that his conversations are remaining private. Everyone is happy, and no laws have been broken. Don't know if this fits in your jurisdiction, but it works in Western Canada. Merl KLEIN (604-469-2009) Technical Security Investigations Ltd. ----- Original Message ----- From: Andre Holmes To: TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 5:58 AM Subject: Fw: [TSCM-L] legal question ----- Original Message ----- From: Andre Holmes To: jw mooty Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [TSCM-L] legal question Hello JW Try http://www.aesham.com I have both full and cell blocked the cell blocked is better. Andre Holmes Neptune Enterprise Security USA ----- Original Message ----- From: jw mooty To: Andre Holmes Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [TSCM-L] legal question where mite i buy a The Icom R2 ... wes mooty 501-617-4103 ----- Original Message ----- From: Andre Holmes To: TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 7:33 AM Subject: Re: [TSCM-L] legal question ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 10:33 AM Subject: [TSCM-L] legal question > > if a bug sweep turns up evidence > of police surveillance, does the > sweep company have to notify the > police that they are telling > their client that they have discovered > their bugs, cleaned/removed them? ==== I would by all means tell the client of the find it would be fulfilling your obilgation. ===== If you should see that the device is being monitored by the Police then you should not touch the device if it is located outside of the clients personal property in my opinion. ===== There remains at issue is the device there as a result of Court order meaning that a felony has been commited by your client on the flip side with out a Court order the client has a legal right to argue invasion of privacy, and possibility of illegal evidence gathering against him/her so its imperative that the defence attorney request discovery of a court order. =====If a device is found possibly installed by the Police and there is evidence of there presence then the sweep team should ducument all activity around the location of the sweep. ===== I have rolled up on a Police covert operation and I had with me a Icom R2 in full scan. ===== The Icom R2 locked on 434 MHz with 5 KHz spacing, I was approx 400 ft from the target area in a vehicle. ===== I noticed that they were using a 434 MHz wireless camera with the undercover agent in a lighted area to compensate for lux. 40 ft away was the recording team, it was great to see it all in real time and pick off the wireless camera at the same time so if you are within the radius of a real bug you should have no problem locking on the signal. ------- The Icom R2 sqwilled big time. ==== My experience =====Andre Holmes Neptune Enterprise Security USA > is it legal to remove police bugs/ > surveillance cams? > > i assume the sweep company is allowed to reveal > police bug/cam findings to their > client, right? > > thanks! val > > > > > ======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > =================================================== TSKS > > Your use of Yahoo! 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Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ======================================================== TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. =================================================== TSKS Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 7175 From: Andre Holmes <1ach@g...> Date: Sat Apr 5, 2003 6:55pm Subject: Re: legal question Hello Merl Its nice information and I will cherish it. Thanks Andre Holmes Neptune Enterprise Security USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Merl Klein" To: Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 1:51 PM Subject: Fw: [TSCM-L] legal question > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Merl Klein > To: TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com ; Andre Holmes > Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 3:08 PM > Subject: Re: [TSCM-L] legal question > > > Hi A.H. > > In Canada (Ha Ha) There are provisions in the Criminal Code that prohibit the disclosure of any information surrounding any legally authorized interception. This interception is not limited to Law inforcement. But try to get a civil order! There are also provisions in the Criminal Code that allow for a general warrant to be issued to protect any TSCM contractor from Civil prosecution by his customer. So get to know the technical law enforcement personel in your area, REALLY WELL In the past I have found that the removal of the device by myself, not telling my customer, and returning the device to the Police has left the Police with an operational problem (IE reinstallation of the device), and I have been able to assure my client that his conversations are remaining private. Everyone is happy, and no laws have been broken. > > Don't know if this fits in your jurisdiction, but it works in Western Canada. > > > Merl KLEIN (604-469-2009) > Technical Security Investigations Ltd. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Andre Holmes > To: TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 5:58 AM > Subject: Fw: [TSCM-L] legal question > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Andre Holmes > To: jw mooty > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 8:57 AM > Subject: Re: [TSCM-L] legal question > > > Hello JW > > Try http://www.aesham.com I have both full and cell blocked the cell blocked is better. > > Andre Holmes > Neptune Enterprise Security > USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jw mooty > To: Andre Holmes > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 8:42 AM > Subject: Re: [TSCM-L] legal question > > > where mite i buy a > The Icom R2 ... > > > wes mooty > 501-617-4103 > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Andre Holmes > To: TSCM-L@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 7:33 AM > Subject: Re: [TSCM-L] legal question > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 10:33 AM > Subject: [TSCM-L] legal question > > > > > > if a bug sweep turns up evidence > > of police surveillance, does the > > sweep company have to notify the > > police that they are telling > > their client that they have discovered > > their bugs, cleaned/removed them? > > > ==== I would by all means tell the client of the find it would be > fulfilling your obilgation. > > ===== If you should see that the device is being monitored by the Police > then you should not touch the device if it is located outside of the clients > personal property in my opinion. > > ===== There remains at issue is the device there as a result of Court order > meaning that a felony has been commited by your client on the flip side with > out a Court order the client has a legal right to argue invasion of privacy, > and possibility of illegal evidence gathering against him/her so its > imperative that the defence attorney request discovery of a court order. > > =====If a device is found possibly installed by the Police and there is > evidence of there presence then the sweep team should ducument all activity > around the location of the sweep. > > ===== I have rolled up on a Police covert operation and I had with me a Icom > R2 in full scan. > > ===== The Icom R2 locked on 434 MHz with 5 KHz spacing, I was approx 400 ft > from the target area in a vehicle. > > ===== I noticed that they were using a 434 MHz wireless camera > with the undercover agent in a lighted area to compensate for lux. > 40 ft away was the recording team, it was great to see it all in real time > and pick off the wireless camera at the same time so if you are within the > radius of a real bug you should have no problem locking on the signal. > > ------- The Icom R2 sqwilled big time. > > ==== My experience > > =====Andre Holmes > Neptune Enterprise Security > USA > > is it legal to remove police bugs/ > > surveillance cams? > > > > i assume the sweep company is allowed to reveal > > police bug/cam findings to their > > client, right? > > > > thanks! val > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================== > > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > > http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, > > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > > =================================================== TSKS > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > ======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > =================================================== TSKS > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > ======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > =================================================== TSKS > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > ======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > =================================================== TSKS > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > 7176 From: refmon Date: Sat Apr 5, 2003 6:59pm Subject: Re: Membership Warning Hi James, As with most of my 1:30AM emails, I could have done better in organizing my thoughts. I tried to note that "The problem remains that he moves on to other victims...those who serve to protect those victims don't get to walk away...", which refers directly to those good men who work to battle the conartists, thieves, felons and fraudsters. I could have presented the point better. The key for the civilian victims is that they be guided to not get sucked in further...it's harder than it sounds. Those who must deal with this sort of person need to keep their own mental health in mind...I have seen this sort of person do immeasurable damage without actually lifting a finger-once the victims (a person or an organization) get sucked in, they tend to further the damage through their continued interaction with the offender. In short, your statement is absolutely true-to do this subject justice, it takes several volumes. John _______________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "James M. Atkinson" To: Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 01:19 PM Subject: Re: [TSCM-L] Membership Warning > John, > > Your make a good point, but it is morally wrong and dishonest for > good men keep their mouth shut about con artists, thieves, felons, > and fraudsters. > > By keeping quiet it allows the bad guys to lie, cheat, and steal from > even more victims. If you say nothing then you are partially > responsible for creating more victims. > > Fight the good fight, and give no quarter to the dirt-bag, felons, > and con artists that prey on our profession, or those that give our > profession a bad name. > > -jma > > > > At 1:34 PM -0800 4/4/03, refmon wrote: > >Hi, > > > >John Collins here. While I am not a licensed investigator, I have had to > >wrestle with this sort of thing many times. This felonious fraudulator is > >one of a few subjects I can comment on with some level of real knowledge, > >having dealt with the underlying maladjustments (to put it mildly) in > >personal and corporate situations. > > > >To put it in short form, all the discussion and public reaction, etc is > >contributing to keeping this guy afloat...he is all about the drama and > >controversy and drawing others into the emotional cyclone. This is an > >incredibly "convenient" malady for he who has it-all the symptoms are > >self-validating and all who are critical of the individual are automatically > >liars and frauds (again, in his mind). The more drawn into the drama or > >crisis everyone becomes, the more empowered (in his own mind) he becomes, > >and resultantly, the more in your face. As has been pointed out, at some > >point he may cross the wrong person, but it's not likely. In my experience, > >this sort of individual is eerily skilled at reading potential victims at a > >glance, has a chameleon-like presence, and walks the line just short of > >soliciting a violent or otherwise decisive reaction...thus, the low/mid > >level, constant, yammering and not-quite-worth-it legal violations. In the > >rare situation where he may get caught, convicted and slammered, he's a > >victim, he resets, and comes out even more righteous and "insightful". > > > >I'd predict that if everyone stopped reacting to the guy that he will > >attempt several times to create new dramas...getting no reaction, he will > >move on to other grazing grounds or simply fall apart. The problem remains > >that he moves on to other victims...those who serve to protect those victims > >don't get to walk away... I have had to work with mental health > >professionals who find this sort of personality disorder so draining that > >they must self-counsel within their own local groups in order to avoid fast > >burnout. > > > >The biggest mistake I have seen made with people like this is trying to use > >conventional enforcement or treatment modes...they do not respond in a > >constructive way. Corporate HR and Security departments usually don't seem > >to recognize this...there is no way that current policy established by a > >corporation of healthy people would even remotely apply to such an > >individual. Likewise, most normal, well meaning people are not equipped to > >spot and/or deal with such an individual. > > > >Just two cents worth from a battle worn corporate manager and father. > > > >good luck & best regards > > > >John Collins > >_______________________________________________________ > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "James M. Atkinson" > >To: "TSCM-L Mailing List" > >Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 12:00 AM > >Subject: RE: [TSCM-L] Membership Warning > > > > > >> At 5:39 PM -0800 4/3/03, Matt Paulsen wrote: > >> >I guess he'll will now 'sue' cryptome.. be prepared for more spam with > >more > >> >copyright than you can stand in your inbox.. > >> >http://cryptome.org/threats/iam-threat.htm > >> > > >> >- Original Message - > >> >> There is a convicted felon, and con artist in Tampa, Florida who has > >been > >> >spoofing email to members of this list, claiming that my website is going > >> >down > >> > >> > >> > >> But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not > >> the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the > >> sword come, and take any person from among them, he > >> is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I > > > require at the watchman's hand. -Ezekiel 33:6 > >> > > > -jma > -- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------ > The First, The Largest, The Most Popular, and The Most Complete TSCM, > Bug Sweep, Spy Hunting, and Counterintelligence Site on the Internet. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------ > James M. Atkinson Ph: (978) 546-3803 > Granite Island Group Fax: (978) 546-9467 > 127 Eastern Avenue #291 http://www.tscm.com/ > Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 mailto:jmatk@t... > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------ > Vocatus atque non vocatus deus aderit > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------ > > > ======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > =================================================== TSKS > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > 7177 From: Date: Sun Apr 6, 2003 1:39am Subject: Rif: Re: Rif: Useful conversion chart > Ok, if we're trotting out old calculators stories... (grin) > I've still got the first one I bought, and still use it daily. > It's a Texas Instruments SR-10. I paid $40 for it, and that was I think > 1970 or 71. >> When I was a chemical engineering student at the Milano Politecnico, >> I had two calculators: a 10-inch "desktop" model, for the heavy work, >> when a higher precision was needed, an a half-size "pocket" model, >> for the quick and dirty shots. I got my degree in 1969.... Ahem, I intended slide-rule calculators, the 25 cm long one, to be used on the desktop, was at the same time "portable". :-) Ciao! Remo 7178 From: Date: Sat Apr 5, 2003 10:04pm Subject: Advice please Dear Members Does anybody own or has owned an AVCOM Spectrum Analyser ie the PSA-65C or the PSA-65A together with aN AVCOM Frequency Extender. I am looking to replace my German HAMEG I use for field work with something more suited to Countermeasures work and "field lab" use. AVCOM seem to be the only manufacturer around to tailor an Analyser to TSCM use at a reasonable price Any advice for or against would be very welcome Regards Dave UK TSCM [Technical Surveillance and Countermeasures] David McGauley Demtec Electronic Surveillance and Counter Measures Specialist Electrical/Electronics Engineer ex Police Demtec House Ormskirk Lancs L39 0HF UK 01695 558544 07866206112 demtec@a... www.demtec.co.uk [under construction] The manufacture and installation of custom made covert electronic audio and video devices Professional physical and electronic counter measures [sweep] services. Note: any fellow UKPIN members welcome to call in to discuss applications. Workshop located alongside the M58 junc 3 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 7179 From: Robert Dyk Date: Sun Apr 6, 2003 11:14am Subject: RE: Advice please One of my spectrum analyzers is a PSA-65. This unit has been exceptionally reliable and robust. I have the outboard frequency conversion modules to 3 gig. This unit warms up in seconds and is ready to go at a moments notice. With the right antennae, I would not hesitate to recommend this unit for the job it is intended to do. It has its quirks like any other piece of equipment, but this unit does not owe me anything and continues to do its job without issue. Important note: all my gear travels in Pelican 1650 road cases and is only ever out of them to use or recharge. Good Luck, Robert Dyk robert@w... Worldwide Security Ltd. Mississauga, Ontario Canada This e-mail is confidential and may contain privileged information. If you are not the addressee it may be unlawful for you to read, copy, distribute, disclose or otherwise use the information in this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient please notify us immediately. > -----Original Message----- > From: DEMTEC@A... [mailto:DEMTEC@A...] > Sent: April 6, 2003 4:05 AM > To: tscm-l@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [TSCM-L] Advice please > > > Dear Members > Does anybody own or has owned an AVCOM Spectrum Analyser ie the PSA-65C > or the PSA-65A together with aN AVCOM Frequency Extender. > I am looking to replace my German HAMEG I use for field work with > something > more suited to Countermeasures work and "field lab" use. > AVCOM seem to be the only manufacturer around to tailor an > Analyser to TSCM > use at a reasonable price > Any advice for or against would be very welcome > Regards Dave UK > > TSCM [Technical Surveillance and Countermeasures] > David McGauley > Demtec > Electronic Surveillance and Counter Measures Specialist > Electrical/Electronics Engineer ex Police > Demtec House > Ormskirk > Lancs L39 0HF > UK > 01695 558544 > 07866206112 > demtec@a... > www.demtec.co.uk [under construction] > The manufacture and installation of custom made covert electronic > audio and > video devices > Professional physical and electronic counter measures [sweep] services. > Note: any fellow UKPIN members welcome to call in to discuss applications. > Workshop located alongside the M58 junc 3 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > ======================================================== > TSCM-L Technical Security Mailing List > "In a multitude of counselors there is strength" > > To subscribe to the TSCM-L mailing list visit: > http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/TSCM-L > > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > It is by the juice of Star Bucks that thoughts acquire speed, > the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > =================================================== TSKS > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > 7180 From: Mitch D Date: Sun Apr 6, 2003 9:11pm Subject: Re: Advice please The AVCOM's are very user friendly. I have both a PSA 65 A and C. I like the using the extenders on the C with the clear backlit LCD display,theres no math to do when looking at diff freqs. They both work well,calibrate easy,are built like "brick outhouses"and travel well. Tech Support used to be very good for AVCOM,although Ramsey is now the distributor for the line.I havent had any problems since Ramsey took over. If you go AVCOM get the padded case,its worth the extra money IMHO as are the extenders and other accessories. I purchased mine from SWS (Steve U).You may want to drop him a line and inquire as to if he has any in stock --- DEMTEC@A... wrote: > Dear Members > Does anybody own or has owned an AVCOM Spectrum Analyser ie > the PSA-65C > or the PSA-65A together with aN AVCOM Frequency Extender. > I am looking to replace my German HAMEG I use for field work > with something > more suited to Countermeasures work and "field lab" use. > AVCOM seem to be the only manufacturer around to tailor an > Analyser to TSCM > use at a reasonable price > Any advice for or against would be very welcome > Regards Dave UK > > TSCM [Technical Surveillance and Countermeasures] > David McGauley > Demtec > Electronic Surveillance and Counter Measures Specialist > Electrical/Electronics Engineer ex Police > Demtec House > Ormskirk > Lancs L39 0HF > UK > 01695 558544 > 07866206112 > demtec@a... > www.demtec.co.uk [under construction] > The manufacture and installation of custom made covert > electronic audio and > video devices > Professional physical and electronic counter measures [sweep] > services. > Note: any fellow UKPIN members welcome to call in to discuss > applications. > Workshop located alongside the M58 junc 3 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ===== Mitch Davis TSCM/Special Operations Group Inc. Antioch,TN.USA MitchD@t... website:www.tscmusa.com. Tel (615)837-9933 Cell(615) 584-9933 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com 7181 From: Date: Sun Apr 6, 2003 6:57am Subject: Re: Advice please Robert Many Thanks for your reply and advice I was most interested also to see you are using the Frequency extenders successfully. Does the Avcom have any outputs on its rear ie an IF port that can be connected to a scanner to demodulate signals??? There is no mention of any o/p ports in the published spec I know that the AVCOM already has a demodulator built in but seems to me that such a hookup would be more sensitive and of a higher resolution used with my higher spec ICOM 8500 Receiver Regards Dave TSCM [Technical Surveillance and Countermeasures] David McGauley Demtec Electronic Surveillance and Counter Measures Specialist Electrical/Electronics Engineer ex Police Demtec House Ormskirk Lancs L39 0HF UK 01695 558544 07866206112 demtec@a... www.demtec.co.uk [under construction] The manufacture and installation of custom made covert electronic audio and video devices Professional physical and electronic counter measures [sweep] services. Note: any fellow UKPIN members welcome to call in to discuss applications. Workshop located alongside the M58 junc 3 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 7182 From: John M Date: Sun Apr 6, 2003 1:38pm Subject: Re: Bad American (hoax) http://www.georgecarlin.com/georgecarlin/home/dontblame.html After just seeing him ranting on HBO last night, this seemed a lot more reactionary then his usual diatribes. Took about 10 seconds on Google to find that this is a hoax that has been variously attributed to him and also Ted Nugent. Nugent published portions of it in his gun magazine in 2001 but denies writing it. The politics of the letter seem more Nugent then Carlin. Please take a second (or maybe 10) to research this junk before passing it on. Also see: http://www.urbanlegends.com/ulz/carlin.html __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com 7183 From: A.Lizard Date: Sun Apr 6, 2003 4:20pm Subject: Urban Legend - YES, I'M A BAD AMERICAN At 05:07 PM 4/6/03 +0000, you wrote: It didn't look right, so I checked. It's a fake, George Carlin says so. He seems less than pleased with the stuff circulating under his name on the Net. A.Lizard http://www.georgecarlin.com/georgecarlin/home/dontblame.html http://www.georgecarlin.com/georgecarlin/home/bogus.html http://www.urbanlegends.com/ulz/carlin.html While Nugent did publish a version of 'The Bad American' in his 'Adventure Outdoors' magazine early in 2001, he did not claim credit for authoring it and versions of it were circulating well (September 2000) before Nugent published it. A.Lizard >essage: 1 > Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 11:16:37 -0800 (PST) > From: Mitch D >Subject: Bad American (Off Topic humor) > >YES, I'M A BAD AMERICAN >by George Carlin > >I Am Your Worst Nightmare. I am a BAD American. I am George >Carlin. I believe the money I make belongs to me and my family, >not some mid level governmental functionary be it Democratic or >Republican! I'm in touch with my feelings and I like it that >way, damn it! > >I think owning a gun doesn't make you a killer, it makes you a >smart American. > ************************************************************************ member The Internet Society (ISOC), The HTML Writers Guild. "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1753 Personal Website http://www.ecis.com/~alizard business Website http://reptilelabs.com backup address (if ALL else fails) alizard@C... PGP 8.0 key available by request,keyserver,or on my Web site Download PGP from http://www.pgpi.org for e-mail privacy. PGPfone v2.1 available for secure voice conferencing, get your own (W9x,NT,Mac) at http://www.pgpi.org/products/nai/pgpfone/ Disaster prep info: http://www.ecis.com/~alizard/y2k.html ************************************************************************ 7184 From: Mitch D Date: Sun Apr 6, 2003 10:37pm Subject: Re: Urban Legend - YES, I'M A BAD AMERICAN Oh well,it was worth the laugh,my apologies to george if hes a list member ;) --- "A.Lizard" wrote: > At 05:07 PM 4/6/03 +0000, you wrote: > > It didn't look right, so I checked. It's a fake, George Carlin > says so. He > seems less than pleased with the stuff circulating under his > name on the Net. > > A.Lizard > http://www.georgecarlin.com/georgecarlin/home/dontblame.html > http://www.georgecarlin.com/georgecarlin/home/bogus.html > > http://www.urbanlegends.com/ulz/carlin.html > While Nugent did publish a version of 'The Bad American' in > his 'Adventure > Outdoors' magazine early in 2001, he did not claim credit for > authoring it > and versions of it were circulating well (September 2000) > before Nugent > published it. > > A.Lizard > > >essage: 1 > > Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 11:16:37 -0800 (PST) > > From: Mitch D > >Subject: Bad American (Off Topic humor) > > > >YES, I'M A BAD AMERICAN > >by George Carlin > > > >I Am Your Worst Nightmare. I am a BAD American. I am George > >Carlin. I believe the money I make belongs to me and my > family, > >not some mid level governmental functionary be it Democratic > or > >Republican! I'm in touch with my feelings and I like it that > >way, damn it! > > > >I think owning a gun doesn't make you a killer, it makes you > a > >smart American. > > > > > > > ************************************************************************ > member The Internet Society (ISOC), The HTML Writers Guild. > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little > temporary > safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." > -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, > 1753 > Personal Website http://www.ecis.com/~alizard > business Website http://reptilelabs.com > backup address (if ALL else fails) alizard@C... > PGP 8.0 key available by request,keyserver,or on my Web site > Download PGP from http://www.pgpi.org for e-mail privacy. > PGPfone v2.1 available for secure voice conferencing, get > your own (W9x,NT,Mac) at > http://www.pgpi.org/products/nai/pgpfone/ > Disaster prep info: http://www.ecis.com/~alizard/y2k.html > ************************************************************************ > > > ===== Mitch Davis TSCM/Special Operations Group Inc. Antioch,TN.USA MitchD@t... website:www.tscmusa.com. Tel (615)837-9933 Cell(615) 584-9933 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com 7185 From: Mitch D Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 10:41am Subject: Re: Advice please I started with the "A",then upgraded to the "C" when it became available.Occasionally I'll bring both out on a job to save some time (usually for domestics),or use one in a vehicle to check the "RF floor",before doing the actual sweep. As some other members indicated the FM Demod option is a must,as is the 10khz step feature. Personally I like the C as it displays the frequencies while using the freq extenders,where you may have to do some math while using extenders on the A. SWS ships worldwide just in case Grove won't work. Cheers! --- Demtec@a... wrote: > Thanks for your reply Mitch > I was interested to see you had an A and C model any > particular reason for > this apart from the obvious diference in spec > Everybody seems to speak highly of them and it looks like my > next purchase. > I will definitley buy the padded case I will either buy from > Steve or Grove > there is a distrib in the UK but they dont carry stock > Thanks again Regards Dave > ===== Mitch Davis TSCM/Special Operations Group Inc. Antioch,TN.USA MitchD@t... website:www.tscmusa.com. Tel (615)837-9933 Cell(615) 584-9933 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com 7186 From: Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 7:32am Subject: Missing Persons Investigations Seminar-Kansas City-May 8 & 9 This seminar should be very interesting and it is being presented in a central location (Kansas City). > From: "Gil Alba" > Subject: Re:Seminar: Missing Without a Trace > > Dear Members, > "Missing Without a Trace"- The Kansas Association of License Investigators > (KALI) is having a seminar about how to investigate missing person cases. > This seminar will cover just about any type of investigation that a PI will > be involved with and more important provide you with the knowledge and > confidence required to pursue investigations. From: How to get involved in > high profile cases to interacting with the police, dealing with the media > and much, much more. > > However, this seminar is not limited to PI's only. Anyone that is > interested in finding the answers to unsolved mysteries and perhaps always > thought that they had the intuition is welcome. PI's, police officers, > detectives, attorney's, criminal justice, all LEO, media, mystery writers, > psychics or just ordinary people are welcome. > > I have had this case for over four years and the usual thing is not to talk > about an open ongoing high-profile case. However, this case would go as many > other "missing without a trace" cases would go if everyone just sat back and > did nothing. So, one of the reasons that I do this seminar about this case > is to tell as many people about the case as possible and in turn teach the > "Art of Investigation." Another reason that I give this seminar is that I > know that there are a lot of smart and interesting people that attend the > seminar. Perhaps they have ideas I certainly encourage and welcome > participation from everyone, whether law enforcement or civilians. > > I did a seminar in New York City at the Learning Annex. They had to move > the seminar from a class room to a local Holiday Inn because of the > unexpected attendance. > > Forensic and missing without a trace cases are very popular at this time and > are some of the most watched TV shows. What the audience gets from me is > that I am not a public speaker nor a teacher, but the real thing . . . ex- > New York City Detective that has the case and is investigating the case even > while the seminar is taking place. I will have the audience step into my > shoes with me and see what they would do as investigators and go along with > me to see how to best solve this case. The reason for placing Kristine > Kupka's website on the brochure is that I would like the attendees to read > about the case prior to attending and go along with me. > > It is going to be an interesting seminar and also the networking with > experts is invaluable. I hope to see all of you there and please pass on the > information in the event that anyone else may want to attend. > > The following is the info from KALI: > The Art of Investigation > The Kristine Kupka Case: > Listed by The N.Y. Daily News as one of New York's Top 10 Mysteries, the > Kristine Kupka case will be featured. In 1998, five months pregnant, the > college > student went off with her professor, the father of her unborn child. He came > back. She didn't. Gil & Bill will lead you through the investigation of this > case > and other cases. It's a rare chance to learn how the world's best detectives > solve > some of the world's worst crimes. To research the Kristine Kupka Case log on > to > Http://www.kristinekupka.com and Http://www.albainvestigations.com > In this fascinating seminar, you're the detective. > ~ ~ You examine the evidence. > ~ ~ You learn how to conduct interviews. > ~ ~ You interact by giving opinions. > ~ ~ You find the answers. > PROGRAM: DESCRIPTION: > Perhaps one of the most frustrating types of investigations is the missing > person case. In this fascinating seminar you become involved and investigate > a > current, unsolved case and unravel the mystery. Learn the methodology behind > the > investigation: research the case, develop a plan of action and learn > investigative techniques from 28-year, Ex-New York City/FBI Task Force, > First Grade > Detective,Gil Alba & Ex-NYPD Detective Bill Majeski. > About the speakers: > Gil Alba > Before founding his own agency, nationally recognized P.I. Gil Alba had a > distinguished career with the New York City Police Department. He worked > with the FBI/NYPD Violent Crime Task Force, specializing in difficult and > unusual > cases. Gil has been seen on 48 Hours, America's Most Wanted, Fox News and > MSNBC > INVESTIGATES filmed a one-hour special. > Bill Majeski, co-author of "Corporate Security Practices" and a regular on > Fox News will team up with Gil to bring you his expertise on interviewing > methods and > many other aspects of the investigative process. Gil & Bill combine for 50 > years > of law enforcement experience. > > KALI REGISTRATION > Kansas Association of Licensed Investigators > Spring Conference 2003 Registration > May 8 -9, 2003 > REGISTRATION FEES: > Members of KALI: $145.00 if registered by April 16 and $190.00 after this date. > Non- Members: $205.00 if registered by April 16 and $250.00 after this date. > Registration Fee includes the following: Reception and presentation by Gil > Alba & Bill Majeski on Thursday, May 8, 2003. Continental Breakfast, Lunch, > Afternoon Snack, and > "The Art of Investigation" presentation. > **If you are not a member of KALI and are a licensed private Investigator > you can join the association and attend the conference for the same price as > a non-member registration fee. For more information please call the KALI > office at (785) 233-5255. > PAYMENT: > KALI - mailed to: > 1200 SW. 10th Ave., Topeka, KS 66604 > Questions? Call (785) 233-5255 or Fax: (785) 234-2433. > RESERVATIONS: > A block of rooms has been reserved at the Sheraton Over-land Park Hotel and > Convention Center at the rate of $89.00/night plus tax. This rate will be > available until April 8, 2003. To make reservations please call (913) > 234 -2100 and ask for reservations. Please identify yourself as a KALI > conference attendee. Check in time is 3:00pm and check out time is 12:00pm. > Hotel is: 6100 College Boulevard, Overland Park, Kansas 66211. > Refund Policy: > HELPFUL INFORMATION: > Thursday, May 8, 2003, 5:00 - 7:00 pm KALI Reception & Introduction by Gil > Alba & Bill Majeski > Friday, May 9, 2003 Throughout The Day, "The Art of Investigation" > > Thank you > Gil C. E. "Jack" Kelley, III, MBA C. E. Kelley & Associates Investigations P. O. Box 395, Baxter Springs, KS 66713 (620) 856-4460 Email: kelleypi@a... http://www.angelfire.com/ks/investigations/ Kansas Detective License: D-064 Board Member, Kansas Association of Licensed Investigators Member, American Society for Industrial Security Member, Association of Former Office of Special Investigations Special Agents Member, INTELNET (International organization of private investigators) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 7187 From: ed Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 10:00am Subject: Avcom - new models unannounced David, Before buying an Avcom PSA-65C (which I own and recommend) you might want to know Avcom will be releasing new models in about 16 weeks. The first units will be PSA-1727A, PSA-45C which are the digital front end, LCD, lightweight spectrum analyzers. These units can be directly controlled or remotely controlled via ethernet (UTP RJ-45 or 802.11b) and over the internet, and can be configured to record and log measurements. Avcom has not yet announced these new models or their specifications or pricing, but I do know they will cost more than the PSA-65C. -ed At 07:11 PM 4/6/03 -0700, DEMTEC@A... wrote: > > Dear Members > > Does anybody own or has owned an AVCOM Spectrum Analyser ie > > the PSA-65C > > or the PSA-65A together with aN AVCOM Frequency Extender. > > I am looking to replace my German HAMEG I use for field work > > with something > > more suited to Countermeasures work and "field lab" use. > > AVCOM seem to be the only manufacturer around to tailor an > > Analyser to TSCM > > use at a reasonable price > > Any advice for or against would be very welcome > > Regards Dave UK > > > > TSCM [Technical Surveillance and Countermeasures] > > David McGauley > > Demtec > > Electronic Surveillance and Counter Measures Specialist > > Electrical/Electronics Engineer ex Police > > Demtec House > > Ormskirk > > Lancs L39 0HF > > UK > > 01695 558544 > > 07866206112 > > demtec@a... > > www.demtec.co.uk [under construction] > > The manufacture and installation of custom made covert > > electronic audio and > > video devices > > Professional physical and electronic counter measures [sweep] > > services. > > Note: any fellow UKPIN members welcome to call in to discuss > > applications. > > Workshop located alongside the M58 junc 3 7188 From: Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 8:00am Subject: Re: Advice please Thanks again Mitch All these little hints are a great help. I found a UK supplier called TONER they are actually American they have a 230 volt version in the USA ready to ship. Good point about the display while using the extenders that is very useful Off Topic I have just caught the news You fellas seem to be doing well in IRAQ but are you???? The Iraqi Information Minister keeps popping up on the BBC news telling us that the Yanks are surrounded and on the run apparently dying in huge numbers [cant always make out what he is saying though as the Iraqi F16'S keep flying low overhead] Thanks Again Dave TSCM [Technical Surveillance and Countermeasures] David McGauley Demtec Electronic Surveillance and Counter Measures Specialist Electrical/Electronics Engineer ex Police Demtec House Ormskirk Lancs L39 0HF UK 01695 558544 07866206112 demtec@a... www.demtec.co.uk [under construction] The manufacture and installation of custom made covert electronic audio and video devices Professional physical and electronic counter measures [sweep] services. Note: any fellow UKPIN members welcome to call in to discuss applications. Workshop located alongside the M58 junc 3 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 7189 From: David Alexander Date: Tue Apr 8, 2003 6:10am Subject: advert - Infosec consultant in the UK Dear all I recently moved job to become a consultant and our moderator very kindly said that I could post a quick advert to the list. I'm not a TSCMer, never will be, but I am a very good Information Security consultant, with good technical knowledge of all aspects of IT security architectures, Information Security management and policies (I was one of the first 50 people in the world accredited as a Lead Auditor for ISO 17799), UK legislation, firewalls, penetration testing, forensic computing, etc. I am an ex RAF officer (driver, airframe), with a high security clearance and good experience of working in commercial, government and defence environments. I have outstanding people-facing skills and am a good teacher and facilitator for courses, seminars, etc. I'm also a good project manager (Certified PRINCE 2 Practitioner) and have the ability to make things happen without upsetting anyone (unless they deserve it of course...). I'm on this list to learn about TSCM from you guys in case I ever need to use it, or counter it. By the same token if I can help anyone with my specialist knowledge, please feel free to ask. thanks for your time Dave David Alexander Dbi Consulting Ltd Stoneleigh Park Mews Stoneleigh Abbey Kenilworth Warwickshire CV8 2DB Office : 01926 515515 Mobile: 07836 332576 Email : David.Alexander@d... Have you visited our website? http://www.dbiconsulting.co.uk 7190 From: David Alexander Date: Tue Apr 8, 2003 5:59am Subject: FW: bugs UK man convicted of making and selling illegal bugs http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestershire/2918127.stm David Alexander Information Security Consultant Dbi Consulting Ltd Stoneleigh Park Mews Stoneleigh Abbey Kenilworth Warwickshire CV8 2DB Office : 01926 515515 Mobile: 07836 332576 Email : David.Alexander@d... Have you visited our website? http://www.dbiconsulting.co.uk 7191 From: James M. Atkinson Date: Tue Apr 8, 2003 11:20am Subject: Re: FW: bugs - Bungalow-bug man's big profits At 11:59 AM +0100 4/8/03, David Alexander wrote: >UK man convicted of making and selling illegal bugs > >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestershire/2918127.stm > The funny thing about all of this, is that the guy seems to have been buying cheap little Japanese devices, and was simply selling other peoples products. -jma >Bungalow-bug man's big profits > >From the understated dormer bungalow he shared with his mother, >Umesh Bharakada produced an array of gadgets usually found in James >Bond films. > >The 37-year-old fashioned bugging devices to be hidden in everyday >objects such as three-pin plug adaptors, phone sockets and >calculators. > >From Syston in Leicester, he sold them across the internet to other >suppliers, private investigators and detective agencies earning >about £40,000 a year profit. > >Bharakada even paraded his illicit talents by driving a Rolls-Royce >car with the number plate A15 BUG. > >But his firm called Leicester Surveillance Ltd was tracked down by >the Radiocommunications Agency, part of the Department for Trade and >Industry. > >One of their investigators, Clive Corrie, told BBC News Online the >trail led to Bharakada's bungalow after firms retailing the bugging >equipment said he was their supplier. > >"He said he didn't have any formal qualifications but you could see >he had put a lot research into this. > >"He had managed to adapt existing circuits and produce his own brand of goods. > >"Some of them were the size of your little fingernail. > >"Some were built into household devices like three-pin plug adaptors >and some built into a phone adaptor - these record phone >conversations as well as the conservations from the room. > >"They take their power from where they plug into to take away the >need for batteries." > >He said the devices being made were the sort of listening tools that >might be used by the police or security services. > >Air safety 'degraded' > >Nothing close to what Bharakada was making would be legally sold on >the high street. > >"The majority of the ones he was making were operating on a band of >frequencies that are allocated for the Civil Aviation Authority for >use by aircraft and they had potential to cause interference." > > >That meant that safety levels of aircraft could have been "degraded" >if the bugs were being used nearby. > >The most powerful bugs, and therefore the most dangerous to >aircraft, were tracking devices which could be attached to cars to >allow pursuers to follow them. > >Bharakada told Leicester Magistrates' Court that he was not aware he >was breaking the law under the Wireless Telegraphy Act 1949. > >However, he pleaded guilty on Friday to supplying, using and >offering for sale the equipment between January and August of last >year. > >The judge said he could have been jailed but told him to pay a >£4,000 fine with £4,000 costs. > >Bharakada's equipment was also taken, which was estimated by Mr >Corrie to be worth £20,000. > >Story from BBC NEWS: >http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/england/leicestershire/2918127.stm > >Published: 2003/04/04 16:25:21 > >© BBC MMIII > -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The First, The Largest, The Most Popular, and The Most Complete TSCM, Bug Sweep, Spy Hunting, and Counterintelligence Site on the Internet. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James M. Atkinson Ph: (978) 546-3803 Granite Island GroupFax: (978) 546-9467 127 Eastern Avenue #291http://www.tscm.com/ Gloucester, MA 01931-8008mailto:jmatk@t... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Vocatus atque non vocatus deus aderit -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7192 From: Steve Uhrig Date: Tue Apr 8, 2003 9:30pm Subject: Microtel PR 700A manual needed If anyone can help with a copy of the above manual, I would appreciate it and it would be worth your while. Trying to find one for an older gentleman who has been a mentor to me. He just scored one of these receivers and needs a manual. Offlist replies appreciated. Tks ... Steve ******************************************************************* Steve Uhrig, SWS Security, Maryland (USA) Mfrs of electronic surveillance equip mailto:Steve@s... website http://www.swssec.com tel +1+410-879-4035, fax +1+410-836-1190 "In God we trust, all others we monitor" ******************************************************************* 7193 From: Ocean Group - MU TSD Date: Tue Apr 8, 2003 5:36pm Subject: Sweeping....floors... Well, you'll never guess what came through my mailbox today....have a look.... God if I knew sweeping was this easy I would have dropped out of play school...! :) Please folks, comments? Is it really this easy? Is there really no competition? Is all I need some business cards and a phone? Cheers Oisin Ps. Sorry about the size of the email, only way I could get it to you! __________________________________ SWEEP SERVICE BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY The new business of the 21st century is the Security Business. Specifically, the Sweep Service Provider business. Combating invasions of privacy is the focus, as EAVESDROPPING, WIRETAPPING, & SPYING are no longer problems for governments alone, but for everyday people & businesses. To learn how you can benefit from the research & design efforts of the CCS Counter Surveillance Industry, take a look at the basics. Sweep Service Provider basics: The Technology The Opportunity The Demand Opportunity Benefits Clients Lack of Competition Getting Started Support Questions & Answers Application THE TECHNOLOGY: There are solutions to the eavesdropping problems of today. The solutions are achieved by using Counter-Surveillance Equipment to detect the actual spy equipment used for eavesdropping. By designing, engineering, and developing systems as the VL-8000, CCTA-1000, & the ECM-1300, Counter Surveillance Equipment from CCS has advanced to the next level of personal, corporate, & law enforcement Privacy & Security. These technological systems are the backbone for Sweep Service Providers. They are tools designed & produced by CCS to arm the user with ammunition to combat petty & serious invasions of electronic privacy. The result of using our products has made it possible for individual users to conduct electronic examinations of personal & business environments in the form of Sweep Examinations. These Counter Surveillance Sweep Services help alleviate the discomfort & unrest caused by the threat of surveillance devices such as bugs and wiretaps . Spying on other people is not new, but invading their privacy using high technology is. Newspapers, magazines, TV, and radio now report that with advances in Spy Technology, there is an actual need to defend peoples privacy. That need presents an opportunity to offer a commercial service to people in the workplace, at home, and in the public domain. Taking charge of this type of situation requires that you use Tools of Technology to provide security solutions and awareness to people in need. THE OPPORTUNITY The Involvement, like any business, requires effort to perform the service at client locations. The demand exists for consultants to solve problems of privacy at the business & family level for the defense of people's security. People will pay for PEACE OF MIND when it comes to protecting their secrets, their privacy, and their vulnerability. Using CCS Counter Surveillance techniques, methods, & technologies, the Sweep Service Provider can effectively fight electronic eavesdropping and bugging devices that pose serious threats to personal, corporate, & law enforcement security. THE DEMAND Where does the demand come from? Is there really a demand? People & Businesses happily pay for protection. Protection from Electronic Eavesdropping & spying. Spies steal information all the time, and not just from governments. 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Understanding the Demand, it is clear that there is a need as well as an opportunity at hand to offer Sweep Services. ESTIMATED OPPORTUNITY BENEFITS One could charge $300 / hour depending upon: Physical size of the office / home being examined Quantity of telephone & communication ports evaluated Internal survey of phone company communication junction box (boxes) Environmental factors such as accessibility to internal & External areas under examination will determine how long a Sweep will take. If the area is large, then the hours Required will add up to a longer paying Sweep Service. One could charge $1800 - $2,000 per Sweep Service depending upon: Time of day / weekend for the Sweep Service to be performed Optional confidential written report of Sweep results One could charge $5,000 - $8,000 for Sweep Equipment, insuring the sell of Sweep Equipment to clients charge the clients for Sweep Equipment Training. Whether you want a part-time or full-time experience as a Sweep Service Provider, it is clear that the benefit from the potential is large; and to start, no experience or technical knowledge is required. CCS has been leading the industry in Counter Surveillance products and systems since 1959, with the introduction of our first Phone Analyzer. Our track record of product development & services have laid the foundation for others to join the Sweep Service Provider Industry. Our Technology and expertise have assisted many people to successfully understand the Sweep Service business, and how to benefit extensively. CLIENTS Where do clients come from? Most clients don't know they are being spied upon until 1) they begin to suspect or 2) something happens. Either way, the need for people to be able to locate the Sweep Service Provider is great. The following are the 2 most popular methods for promoting Sweep Services and finding clients in need: Active & Passive Promoting Passive promoting involves placing an ad in the local classifieds section of newspapers. People need to see your name & number, and that your service is available for hire. Active promoting involves networking through the phone book, through law firms, brokerage firms, actively getting the word out that your service is available. If you don't know anyone who could refer you, then take action and make calls to local businesses, local stock & real estate brokerage firms, news agencies. Everyone has secrets they want to protect. LACK OF COMPETITION In this industry, one must ask and recognize the following: Q: Is there competition? A: Virtually none. Simply check the phone book. If there are any, a simple call to them will let you know what their rates are (and retainers, if any). If the rates are cheap, then it is fair to presume that "You get what you pay for". If you go to a doctor with a problem, price is normally not an issue. Just as a doctor solves problems, so will you as a Sweep Service Provider . Therefore, it is ok to charge high fees for professional service examinations. Sweep Service Providers that charge "low cost" rates do not boost consumer confidence. Clients will pay good money in order to get good service. For this reason, professional competition is virtually non-existent. HOW TO GET STARTED Begin at home, during your free time. All you will need is a phone, some business cards, the ability to place a classified ad, and a desire to make money. Classified ads and even phone book listings will get you exposure. Once people find out you offer Sweep Services to detect "electronic surveillance bugs" and "electronic phone wiretaps", then it would make sense for them to go to you to solve their privacy concerns & problems. But . . . its not that simple ! ! ! Once you start getting business, you really need to know what you are doing. To cash-in on the Sweep Business, you will need the right TOOLS & TRAINING. Tools: CCS builds Electronic Counter Surveillance Equipment for Personal, Corporate, & Law Enforcement Sectors. On the business & personal level, VL-8000 & CCTA-1000 technology can sweep rooms, hallways, crawl spaces, & phone lines in minutes. On the government level, ECM-1300 technology can detect covert listening devices automatically (defines the distance and location of the transmissions, stores all encountered signals for later review, and has a microprocessor-controlled counter surveillance system with a custom designed, built-in spectrum analyzer). Training: CCS has been in the forefront of the Security Industry For Decades. With many of our experts and former directors beginning their industry experience in the late fifties and early sixties, they have spent numerous decades developing solutions which have become the standards of the surveillance, counter-surveillance and personal protection industries. To learn how to conduct a sweep, whether in a home, office, warehouse, embassy, etc, or even in a vehicle takes practice. Our instructors have the experience required to instruct Sweep Service Providers. Growth through Assistance After going on Sweep Services, your business may require more manpower. Should you start to grow too fast, it would be worthwhile to take on an assistant or trainee. If you are too busy to train an assistant, we at CCS can train one for you. Our bug detectors & tap detectors are not difficult to handle. Growing with time, you may employ your trainee to go on Sweep Services alone, giving you time to expand your operation by scheduling additional clients or even going on site surveys at multiple locations. Hiring an additional apprentice will contribute to the expansion of your operation at an aggressive rate. SUPPORT CCS builds & sells Sweep Equipment. As bugging & wiretapping technology develops in complexity & sophistication, we understand the need to remain current in cutting edge Counter Measures. Therefore, we are available to help you succeed. If you get into a situation that requires additional help, we are just a phone call away. If you accept a Sweep Service that may seem to be too large to handle, then we have the ability to either walk you through the Sweep or even arrange for additional on-site support at your clients location (s). If your client's are outside of the United States, and need help, our technicians can travel from our any of our offices from New York, California, Florida, Washington DC, or England. QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS In trying to further comprehend the Sweep Industry, ask and recognize the following questions : Q: Is it really easy to perform an Electronic Sweep? A: Yes. Using the right tools & training, CCS can outfit you with the know-how to get into the Sweep Business Q: If it is so easy to perform, why would businesses & people need a Sweep Service Provider ? A: People would rather hire someone to do a job then do it themselves. Example: People would rather hire a doctor to solve their physical problems. Example: People would rather hire an exterminator to solve their bug problems. Q: Can the police protect businesses & people from electronic eavesdropping? A: No. They cannot. Police do not have the ability nor the facilities to stop information theft. In fact, police agencies are generally more concerned with using the same eavesdropping technology to gather evidence on criminals and should be allowed to. However, someone has to be able to protect honest businesses and the general public from the inside eavesdropper who invades privacy for offense, for profit & theft. From these answers, it is clear that there is a need as well as an opportunity at hand to offer Sweep Services. CCS Recognition CCS is able to respond to diverse needs, both governmental and private. CCS has been leading the Sweep industry, learning and adapting to technology changes, and has the experience to guide you as a Sweep Service Provider . APPLICATION The time to act is now. The demand is at hand, as most people would rather hire a trained professional Sweep Service Provider than spend the time learning how to do it themselves. If you are up to the challenge and want to succeed, then apply below. If you recognize the potential, then clearly you are ready. With the proper tools & training, Counter Surveillance can help you grow a new business, or help you start a side business. You may also: -fill out the following application, or simply call us for more information at 888-779-9205 (within the US), or at 914-654-8700 (outside the US). Our standard business hours are 9:30 am to 5:30 pm Monday Friday. To request more information from CCS International, Ltd, submit this rapid request form below (or Contact US with any questions you might have): First Name: Last Name: Company Street Address City State/Province ZIP/Postal Code Country Telephone Fax Email Address Company Website Best Time to Call When do you think you will decide upon a Security Business Opportunity? 1 Month, 3 Months, 6 Months, 9 Months, This year ? Next 2 years ? Next 5 years How much do you have available for a Security Business Opportunity? Under $10,000 $10,000 - $20,000 $20,000 - $50,000 $50,000 - $100,000 $100,000 + Not Sure For further details, do not hesitate to contact David Jones at the main Headquarters: CCS International Ltd. located at 145 Huguenot Street, New Rochelle, NY 10801 (914) 654-8700 Tel (914) 654-1302 Fax ccssales@s... Email www.spyzone.com Website Copyright CCS International Ltd. 2003 7194 From: Robin Hunter Date: Tue Apr 8, 2003 10:38am Subject: RE(BUGS) Bungalow-bug The funny thing about this story, is that it is neither an offence to manufacture nor possess such equipment in the U.K. it is an offence to use it. It would be interesting to see what the actual charges were. I suspect he was either using the stuff himself or selling it on without getting a disclaimer from the purchaser to the effect that the goods were purchased knowing their use in the U.K. was illegal. regards from Edinburgh, ROBIN HUNTER AEGIS INTELLIGENCE LIMITED "KNOWLEDGE IS POWER" Member of EPIC (www.epic-uk.com) tel. 0131 312 8480 fax. 087 0132 8085 mobile. 07790900005 email. enquiries@a... www.aegisintelligence.co.uk Standby Member of Missingkin.com www.missingkin.com This message and any attachments are confidential and strictly for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivery to the intended recipient, be aware that you have received this message in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 7195 From: kondrak Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 1:45pm Subject: Re: Sweeping....floors... At 11:36 PM 4/8/2003 +0100, you wrote: >Well, you'll never guess what came through my mailbox today....have a >look.... > >God if I knew sweeping was this easy I would have dropped out of play >school...! :) > >Please folks, comments? > >Is it really this easy? Is there really no competition? Is all I need some >business cards and a phone? > >Cheers > >Oisin Yup....so buy a printing program and some Avery 5371 blanks, and now YOU TOO can get in on the business....groan... > For >this reason, professional competition is virtually non-existent. What' he smoking? >HOW TO GET STARTED > >Begin at home, during your free time. > >All you will need is a phone, some business cards, the ability to place a >classified ad, and a desire to make money. Classified ads and even phone >book listings will get you exposure. Between sending SPAM, stapling brouchures, selling Viagara, and peddling mortgages you might be able to raise bail money. OH, and dd I mention MONEY $$$$$$ ? >But . . . its not that simple ! ! ! The ONLY truthful statement I see here...... >Once you start getting business, you really need to know what you are doing. >To cash-in on the Sweep Business, you will need the right TOOLS & TRAINING. > >Tools: Easily and cheaply available from Radio Schlack! >CCS has been in the forefront of the Security Industry For Decades. WHO? I'll file this under "humor".... HAHA!! 7196 From: Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 0:02pm Subject: Re: Sweeping....floors... In a message dated 4/9/2003 10:18:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, inertia@o... writes: > Please folks, comments? I heard that they hired the Dell computer dude to do their training. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 7197 From: Steve Uhrig Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 6:06pm Subject: A picture is worth a thousand words WIRELESS REVIEWS ON THE AIR Hosted by Jason Ankeny A PRIMEDIA Property April 9, 2003 If you want to view this on the web go to: http://enews.primediabusiness.com/enews/telephony/v/697 EDITOR'S PERSPECTIVE --Picture Imperfect By Jason Ankeny April 9, 2003 For all its advances, technology has never been much good at inspiring common sense among users--the growing number of communities banning mobile phone use in public settings and while driving is testament to that. So it's really no surprise to hear that mobile camera phones are already making enemies. Now, an increasing number of gyms and strip clubs across the globe, fearing the obvious violations to the privacy of their employees and customers, have begun instituting bans on the devices. Saudi Arabia's Commission for Promoting Virtue and Preventing Vice has vetoed camera phones throughout the nation, while the Italian Information Commissioner has instituted new regulations demanding that photos only be taken for personal use. Even some Hollywood studios have put the smack down, outlawing camera phones from advance movie screenings. And if Tinseltown is shying away from photo ops, you know something's wrong. A significant number of people have predicted big things for wireless imaging applications. In fact, in a recent Wireless Review Web site survey that asked readers, "What would you consider the 'killer app' for mobile data networks in their current technological state?," 19% responded "wireless imaging," behind only mobile Internet access (34%) and e-mail (26%). That makes the growing opposition to mobile camera phones that much more troubling--many companies are counting on wireless imaging to generate significant revenues in the years to come, but it's not going to happen if consumers discover that camera phones have been banned everywhere they go. I want to believe that people can police themselves--you wouldn't bring a standard camera into a gym locker room and start snapping photos, so why would you do the same thing with a wireless device? I think that the vast majority of people still adhere to basic social mores (not to mention the law), and that these bans on camera phones are an overreaction to worst-case-scenario fears. But in the minds of lawmakers and business owners, the wireless populace has clearly proved it can't be trusted to behave responsibly, which is why so many cities are writing legislation against mobile use (and why you can't go see a movie without the theatre screening some kind of reminder for the audience to turn off its phones). Once you've gotten burned by past iterations of wireless technology, you're not about to let it happen again. Wireless imaging applications are still in their infancy, so there's still time for the industry to reach out to lawmakers and customers alike. Education is critical--it's imperative that the industry doesn't allow concerns over imaging to escalate beyond its control. Explain to lawmakers exactly how wireless imaging works, what consumers can and cannot do, and how to implement rules that promote basic rights to privacy without severely compromising the rights of mobile phone users. Likewise, users need to fully understand when it is and is not appropriate to snap and send photos with their phones, as well as the penalties should they violate any laws or regulations. It seems like simple, common sense stuff--but then, not so long ago it also seemed pretty obvious that you shouldn't be gabbing away on a mobile phone while changing lanes at 80 m.p.h., and look how that turned out. Let's not make the same mistake twice. Send me an e-mail at jankeny@p... (mailto:jankeny@p...). ******************************************************************* Steve Uhrig, SWS Security, Maryland (USA) Mfrs of electronic surveillance equip mailto:Steve@s... website http://www.swssec.com tel +1+410-879-4035, fax +1+410-836-1190 "In God we trust, all others we monitor" ******************************************************************* 7198 From: Hawkspirit Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 11:18pm Subject: Cell Phone Bug This one looks like big trouble http://www.cctv-city.com/erol.html#1317x0 A bugging device that you can dial into from anywhere in the world... Have the ability to listen to conversations from anywhere in the world. Looks Exactly The Same As Normal Siemens Phones. Versatile for Covert Solutions Professional Equipment Can Also Be Used As A Normal Mobile Phone. Completely Undetectable That Someone May be Listening Since the first release of the Mobile Phone Bug back in August 2001 this amazing technology has now be advanced with our Brand New Releases that now come in the form of standard Seimens Mobile phones as pictured here. You then have the ability to dial into the phone from anywhere in the world and listen to what is happening and being said around that phone. And not only that but you can also use this Mobile Phone Bug as an ordinary phone. 7199 From: Steve Uhrig Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 11:46pm Subject: Re: Cell Phone Bug On 9 Apr 2003 at 21:18, Hawkspirit wrote: > This one looks like big trouble > http://www.cctv-city.com/erol.html#1317x0 Their site seems to have errors and the above link won't open for me. Errors on page. Just get an endless message 'Please Wait. Store Loading.' May be my antique browser. Don't overlook the fact that spy shops almost always exaggerate. Spy shops define the word 'hyperbole'. > A bugging device that you can dial into from anywhere in the world... All Motorola cell phones I've owned from the first flip phone to the current V70 has this ability. Activate auto answer and disable ring. You can call it from anywhere, it will answer silently and you can listen. Nothing new. Most of us have been preaching this to our clients for years. > Have the ability to listen to conversations from anywhere in the > world. Looks Exactly The Same As Normal Siemens Phones. It is a normal phone. That's why it looks and works like a normal phone. However, since the company is in the U.K. the phone almost certainly is GSM which will not work here in the U.S. but may be a problem in countries where GSM mobile telephone is deployed. > Since the first release of the Mobile Phone Bug back in August 2001 > this amazing technology has now be advanced with our Brand New > Releases that now come in the form of standard Seimens Mobile phones > as pictured here. You then have the ability to dial into the phone > from anywhere in the world and listen to what is happening and being > said around that phone. And not only that but you can also use this > Mobile Phone Bug as an ordinary phone. All they are selling is a stock unmodified cell phone. Yes, it is a problem, which is another reason to try to keep cell phones from being carried into critical meetings. Especially be cautious if someone exits the room but leaves their cell phone on the table. They may be calling it from the pay phone in the lobby or another cell phone to hear what is being said in their absence. Steve ******************************************************************* Steve Uhrig, SWS Security, Maryland (USA) Mfrs of electronic surveillance equip mailto:Steve@s... website http://www.swssec.com tel +1+410-879-4035, fax +1+410-836-1190 "In God we trust, all others we monitor" ******************************************************************* 7200 From: Mitch D Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 10:44am Subject: floor sweeping Looks like the "Spy King" has resurfaced,again ........... ===== Mitch Davis TSCM/Special Operations Group Inc. Antioch,TN.USA MitchD@t... website:www.tscmusa.com. Tel (615)837-9933 Cell(615) 584-9933 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com 7201 From: Ocean Group - MU TSD Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 5:25pm Subject: Sweeping....floors...part 2 Ah, It's ok guys....just when I was becoming disillusioned I got another email. Now all you need is to attend their seminar.....AND $1500 BUCKS!!! Ps. Bring your own business cards, drinks are extra and you have to buy the headphones to listen to the talk at the seminar. For $1500. __________________________________________________________ PRIVATE SEMINAR ON AVANCED SECURITY AND NEW TECHNOLOGIES CCS International, Ltd. has developed a new seminar and training workshop focused on the growing demands and necessities in specialized security, intelligence, counter intelligence, personal protection and antiterrorism. The current situation in international circles requires a detailed awareness of the existing solutions in the field of Advanced Technology in Security. We would like to extend a cordial invitation for you to participate in this Private Seminar on Specialized Security and Advanced Technology, S.E.S.A.T 2003 (Specialized Educational Seminar on Advanced Technology). The seminar will be held in New Rochelle, New York on April 30th, May 1st and May 2nd. We offer this seminar exclusively to Government Organizations, International Corporations and to a few select group of clients. The duration of the seminar is approximately 18 hours, divided into 2 ½ days, during which we will provide theoretical, practical and operational details, information and training regarding the latest advances in products, equipment, systems and services in this highly confidential and sensitive field. Below, we have detailed the segments that compose the Seminar/Workshop: COMMENCEMENT OF THE FIRST DAY: 10:00AM CCS INTRODUCTION AND PRESENTATION STG Surveillance Technology Group G-COM Government Communication CSS Counter Spy Shops Spyzone.com, Gcomtech.com and CCS Publishing 10:30AM DIFFERENT CATEGORIES OF CLIENTS AND POSSIBLE NECESSITIES Client Category 1 Client Category 2 Client Category 3 11:00AM LEVELS IN THREAT ANALYSIS (OFFENSIVE/DEFENSIVE) Low Level Medium Level High Level 12:00PM METHODS/ACQUIRING OF INTELLIGENCE (EAVESDROPPING) Microphones Recorders Telephony Long Range Acoustic Microphones The Human Ear Laser System Infrared System Tempest System Counter Measure (Electronic Sweeps) 1:00PM LUNCH 2:00PM TELEPHONY Theory of Operation Interception Measures Countermeasures 3:00PM SCRAMBLERS/ENCRYPTORS Scramblers Theory of Operation Voice Inversion Signal Interruption Encryptors (Voice, Fax, Data) Theory of Operation Digitalization Encryption Randomizing 4:00PM CELLULAR MONITORING Theory of Operation Analog Systems Digital Systems Use of Tactical Systems 1 Channel Systems 4 Channel Systems 8 Channel Systems 5:00PM END OF FIRST DAY COMMENCEMENT OF THE SECOND DAY 10:00AM VOICE STRESS ANALYSIS (LIE DETECTION) Theory and Operative Principles Interrogation Procedures Applications Limitations 11:00AM NIGHT VISION Theory of Operation Active and Passive Systems 1st, 2nd and 3rd Generation 12:00PM VIDEO Theory of Operation Wired Systems Wireless Systems Fiber Optics Video Transmission (RF, Telephone, Cellular) 1:00PM LUNCH 2:00PM TRACKING AND LOCATING (GPS RF) RF Personal/Vehicle Theory of Operation GPS Personal/Vehicle Theory of Operation Applications in Cases of Kidnapping 3:00PM DETECTORS Metal Theory of Operation Explosive Theory of Operation Contraband Theory of Operation 3:30PM BULLET PROOF PROTECTION Vests/Clothing Protection Theory and Principles Bullet Proff Vehicles Theory and Principles Materials 4:00PM PERSONAL PROTECTION Physical Protection Protection of Goods 4:30PM INTEGRATION OF THE VARIED EXPOSED SYSTEMS Offensive Applications (Only Authorized Agencies) Defensive Applications 5:00PM END OF THE SECOND DAY COMMENCEMENT OF THE THIRD DAY Private Meetings and Specific Consultation and Requirements: 10:00AM REQUIREMENTS FOR ACQUIRING EQUIPMENT/SYSTEMS Personal Use Organization Requirements Client Requirements 11:00AM INTEREST IN DISTRIBUTION OR REPRESENTATION License/Franchise Authorized Distribution Reseller Programs 12:00PM PRESENTATION OF CERTIFICATES COMPLETION OF SEMINAR S.E.S.A.T. 2003 is a unique opportunity to receive the complete training on the different possibilities in security solutions for your own protection or that of your organization or business. The cost of the seminar is $1,500USD per person of which 50% will be credited towards the purchase of products, equipment, systems or services provided by CCS. Additionally, we will be including the GCOM catalog, CCS Cd-Rom as well as the CCS Product Guide. The seminar will be presented in English but can be presented in Spanish in our Miami, FL office by our international experts. We hope to receive a prompt confirmation of your participation in this special event. Should you or any members of your organization have any questions, do not hesitate to contact our New York Headquarters at 888-779-9205. If you wish to attend, simply complete the enclosed registration form below and fax it back to 914-654-1302 to my attention: Tom Felice. Please keep in mind that seats are limited to this event, therefore, we suggest that registration forms be submitted at the earliest. At the moment, CCS is also accepting applications for those who wish to become an Authorized Licensees. 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Name of Attendees: 1. _______________________________ 2. _______________________________ 3. _______________________________ Payment Methods (include all credit card details) Credit Card: MC ____, Visa _____, A/X ______ Name on Card _________________________ Credit Card # __________________________ Date of Expiration ______________________ Wire Transfer: North Fork Bank 175 W. 72nd Street New York, NY 10023 CCS International, Ltd. ACC #: 9054004420 ABA #: 021407912 7202 From: Ocean Group - MU TSD Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 5:58pm Subject: Airport.... Hello, I thought someone might be able to enlighten me as to my recent experience... On recently flying through Copenhagen airport while catching a transfer I was going through the usual airport security passport check.... But the guy took one look at me, took my passport and put it on what looked to me as a flat bed scanner with no lid. There was two leds on the "machine" and it was on red as standby and then when he put my passport on it it did nothing for a second and then went green. He handed me back my passport and nodded me on. My thoughts: Irish passports have no biometric tags or coded information so the only thing I could think of was that it got scanned and a photo logged to some random database where copies of suspicious punters passports are kept! :) It was, however the first time it happened to me....I swear! A colleague reckoned that maybe it was a Danish Intelligence/Immigration database where random passport scans were taken, or else some way of authenticating the passport. Anyone got any bright ideas...? Cheers Oisin Ocean Group, Technical Security Division, Ireland.